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Boot_WB 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 15:36:32
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@phoenixkonsole

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"Unterstellung" without "feige".


Glad you took it in the way it was intended.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 15:48:34
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@OlafS25
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that the brand can be used for the different platforms.

He's not promising this. Actually, the statement on his site says "Amiga branded OS's and hardware from PC OpenSystems LLC will not happen."

The sentence you quote later on (about leaving that to partners) is standard wannabe-manager speak for "ignore what I said yesterday".

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if he has made promises he cannot keep he will disappear from the community.

There's no "if". He will disappear, that's a given. He's radically changed his position ("Amiga? No thanks", "Amiga? we're gonna use that brand!", "Amiga? we don't need the brand, we're going to help the community!") three times in less than a week. And he hasn't done anything but post promises to his blog and in this thread - that's not exactly how you get things done.

It's like McEwen, BillP and Barry Altman wrote a book about how to "become a global player in the Amiga market in five minutes" and Mr. Dohnert is following all their advice to the letter:

1. announce as early as possible, because the earlier you're out there, the sooner your ego will get stroked and the sooner you can ask for donations, help or prepayments! - check
2. casually refer to the many departements in your biiig company so the reader gets an impression of the size of your genitals! - check
3. Don't even try to understand the product, it's all about branding and nice words! - check
4. Change your plans often, always ignore what you said yesterday - because moving targets are harder to hit! - check
5. Post to community forums, because that makes them think you care. Which in turns makes them more open to the idea of throwing money your way! - check
6. Constantly point out that you're only here because you get all this excellent feedback. If they think their input matters, they'll be even more willing to throw money your way! - check

Honestly, don't get your hopes up. And the one good thing about AROS is that it's not connected to the brand. Believe me, you don't want that to change.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:00:23
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@cgutjahr

you are longer here than I so you might have seen a similar "movie" in the past. There is a lot of questions still open and (if they are serious business people) they will have sorted them out till sunday and have clear answers. If not then I think you are right. But when you are right I would not understand their motivation. They could not win much (noone will buy it from them) and the anger will mean anti-marketing for them.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:45:15
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@OlafS25

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Look at the response CUSA got (much more than all amiga-camps combined in 10 years) and that without real products.

lets state that i dont have nor had anything particular against cusa. i find the remake of the c64 case rather impressive but i there is nothing that they proposed or made that i was interested in or going to buy into. they may have had gained more publicity than wahtever "amiga" due to apparently more funds and primarly the c64 remake. thats all fine. but, to repeat the obvious, plain and fair, i dont see why this should be of any interest except for linux users. it is so simple..

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calling people "troll"

being voted "troll president" i dont call anybody else "a troll". how dared i? im completely fine with his actions, whatever they will be. he can gain the whole "amiga" corporate identity, if he can, or leave it, i just dont understand for what he needs our "backup". there is nothing amiga fans can factually influence, except maybe buying his product, convinced it is amiga.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:47:14
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@number6

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@thread Screenshots Apologies if already mentioned.

regular ubuntu (or any other contemporary graphic user interface/desktop) they all look alike. amiga wouldnt be much different. whats so particular about it?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:53:18
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@wawa

I just post new info when I see it.
I have no opinions.

#6

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:53:47
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We are going to leave the Amiga branded hardware to hardware partners to produce the machines. Now keep in mind, that we will work with hardware partners who produce x86 hardware, PowerPC hardware and even ARM hardware in the future and they will be branded Amiga.


That translates to me simply into what was said before: some interest to offer OS4 Linux for the AmigaOne X1000 sold by A-EON, ARM devices (maybe in the future including those from ACube's partner) running AROS and x86 boxes pre-installed with Amiga Forever or AROS by some third party. One shouldn't take the words "Amiga branded" too literally, IMHO, it's just referring to "Amiga" hardware in all its flavours keeping to have be bought from the current sources as usual.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:54:11
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@wawa

you did not but other(s)

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 16:55:54
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@Senex

I have sent my answers to them. We will see what their real plans and ideas are...

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:16:24
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@cgutjahr

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Honestly, don't get your hopes up. And the one good thing about AROS is that it's not connected to the brand. Believe me, you don't want that to change.


+1

also it is completely different matter if a company got interested in aros, sponsoring its development or forking it for its own use and providing patches upstream, as it is the case with morphos team. this is valuable. but i still have not seen any serious explanation for what does aros gain by the fact that completely unrelated linux distro may be called "amiga".

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:18:42
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@RobertJDohnert

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per/boot_WB

Gah! The 'close window' button is on top the right-hand side - Heresy!

Call the whole thing off!


GACK!

Put them back on the left with the red/yellow/green. That is unique, and cool.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:21:20
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@Boot_WB

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Gah! The 'close window' button is on top the right-hand side - Heresy!
Call the whole thing off!


I'm not going to even ask what client you use. Heh.

And no, it's way too late to call the whole thing off.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:26:48
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@number6

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@Boot_WB

And no, it's way too late to call the whole thing off.

#6


Now you're teasing.

Are you talking about calling the hype off, or some 'insider information' I missed out on at last Sunday's chat. (Already added the channel & server to AmiIRC for this week.)

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:27:56
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@Senex

I hope you can join us from Amiganews.de.

If only to keep cgutjahr from imploding. Heh.

The chat

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:29:20
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@Boot_WB

I thought your reference was to calling off the chat. Sorry.

Hence my comment.

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Boot_WB 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:45:58
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@number6

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number6 wrote:
@Boot_WB

I thought your reference was to calling off the chat. Sorry.

Hence my comment.

#6


Ah, the ' which client' bit had me puzzled.

No, I meant the 'close window' gadget on the browser windows of Linux OS4 screenshots - having something tangible to disagree over after a few days of hype is usually a trigger for community uproar in these scenarios.

My bad though: if you have to explain a joke, it was probably poorly told in the first place.

EDIT: Quote added to the earlier (misunderstood) post for clarity.

Last edited by Boot_WB on 28-Jun-2013 at 05:49 PM.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:48:30
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@number6

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number6 wrote:

If only to keep cgutjahr from imploding. Heh.

#6


Too late.

Besides, if they lie to us they will lie to each other, and the world.

Also, I didn't know this place had 2 resident soothsayers?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 17:53:15
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@number6

Will depend on how tired I am at midnight CEST...

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 18:22:31
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@wawa

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wawa wrote:
@number6

Quote:
@thread Screenshots Apologies if already mentioned.

regular ubuntu (or any other contemporary graphic user interface/desktop) they all look alike. amiga wouldnt be much different. whats so particular about it?


But it will have boing ball wallpapers! ;)

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jun-2013 22:51:51
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@number6

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Screenshots


Looks like bog standard linux to me.

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