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number6 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 13:48:25
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@resle

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..and the Open EnterpriseAmiga Linux OS4 for X1000 mogul has vanished already.


He's confimred attending Ashachat. He just choose not to post that. I guess he
was hoping you would take him at his word on that.

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whatever he will do won't be relevant to the amiga scene,


That might be the prevailing opinion for all I know, but that's something he can attempt to clarify at the chat.

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you will be told what he knows you want to hear.


Then he'll have to be quick on his feet, because you surely don't know how team*amiga will approach this. Did I mention that they're not stupid?

@Boot_WB

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maybe he's got better things to do during the week


Wow! Is that really possible? This changes my entire view of the importance of posting in web forums. I need to re-evaluate my consciousness. Heh.

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If by Sunday it's just Roberto with no 'partners' on board and just rhetoric, then sceptical-me will come back out to play.


I believe your opinion is not unique, but hopefully concerns will be expressed clearly through well thought out questions. [insert LOL here]

@OlafS25

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I have sent some clear answers to them if they are not or not clearly answered I will join Gutjahr and others here.


I'm sure cgutjahr will be thrilled to hear he finally has gained enough supporters to form a new "camp". Heh.

@Pavlor

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Amiga.Inc and Hyperion interpret it otherwise.


Without detail, the 2 parent companies don't remotely agree on the interpretation and/or both are making public interpretations that are protectionist in nature.


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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 14:07:19
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@number6

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Without detail, the 2 parent companies don't remotely agree on the interpretation


Sure, but at least CommodoreUSA case showed this is not iviolable rule.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 21:18:19
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Sorry I havent posted, Thurs and Friday were full of meetings. The difference between what we are doing and what others have done is that our solutions will be available during July and everything is set in stone. July 1, 2013 we already have a big change coming to hardware sales, and others will be coming by the end of July.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 21:53:11
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@thread

I just noticed "the list" mentioned in an earlier posting is up.

http://www.os4online.com/

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Posted on 29-Jun-2013 22:38:50
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@number6

great

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I appreciate what you are doing

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 22:42:25
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@number6

So its AROS compatible systems for start, user can have as dual boot or as Linux virtual box. Rest might or might not follow.
Native dual boot will need a real specific system
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_support

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 22:44:21
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@OlafS25

That's impressive. I wonder how well their guest version of Argos works. Because every time I tried it was slow going on virtualization. If they have got a smooth system going then I want a copy :)

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
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@number6

Hmmmm. Pictures of hardware with boingballs photoshopped on are not encouraging.

Also, Roberto should probably understand that x86/x64 AROS isn't going to run Amiga 68K binaries, so won't be useful in the way 'advertised'.

I'll continue to reserve judgement until tomorrow.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 23:29:12
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@Boot_WB

I would like to see the IRC chat but I doubt i would be able to get on with work. Would someone be able to post a log of it?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 29-Jun-2013 23:32:59
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@CritAnime

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Would someone be able to post a log of it?


I think that's a question someone should ask both the ops at Ashachat and Roberto.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 30-Jun-2013 0:56:55
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@CritAnime

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every time I tried it was slow going on virtualization.


even ubuntu is slow (unresponsible) under virtualization. on the other hand im not sure if aros (V0) is stable end functional enough for regular customer. perhaps morphos is, even there i have my doubts.

better were to make sure said systems are up to standards one wants to provide before delivery after blaming the situation afterwards.

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@wawa

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every time I tried it was slow going on virtualization.


even ubuntu is slow (unresponsible) under virtualization. on the other hand im not sure if aros (V0) is stable end functional enough for regular customer. perhaps morphos is, even there i have my doubts.

better were to make sure said systems are up to standards one wants to provide before delivery after blaming the situation afterwards.


Ubuntu might be slow under virtualization but AROS seems very sluggish. OWB can take up to 3 min to load and I have yet to get Trident to recognise USB devices. This isn't a dig at AROS because it's like a greased weasle wehn running on real hardware. It's virtualization it strugles. Which is why I am curious as to their hosted option.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 30-Jun-2013 2:01:19
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@CritAnime

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Which is why I am curious as to their hosted option.



Aros hosted is extremely fast. Much faster than virtualized.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2013 2:36:13
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@Boot_WB

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Hmmmm. Pictures of hardware with boingballs photoshopped on are not encouraging.



There's a little more to that.

From their "Store" page
http://os4store.blogspot.com/p/hardware.html

IBM ThinkServer TS430
Average price from other resellers: $1,170
Price with a boing ball sticker and OS4 Linux: $2,300

ASUS Zenbook Prime
Average price from other resellers: $1,100 to $1,400 depending on config
Price with a boing ball sticker and OS4 Linux: $2,500

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 30-Jun-2013 9:05:29
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@resle

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From their "Store" page http://os4store.blogspot.com/p/hardware.html


I m not much into PC prices, but if they are already x2 to Amazon average, with OS4 Linux
its C-USA promised to doom, and no native or hosted AROS or BoingBall sticker will help there.

Isnt Linux promoted as way to get good software cheaper overall with hardware then in M$
Win+Office combo, instead of making money on hardware?

Amiga Store is what we will wait for
http://os4store.blogspot.com/p/amigaos-compatible-hardware.html

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Posted on 30-Jun-2013 9:14:03
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@CritAnime, terminills

actually i agree with critanime. aros is still too slow (sluggish) for what it should be and it shows on amiga, but i could feel it even booting up x86 live cds. i dont think one can blame all that on vesa driver. there are several points that would best to be revised before (if) going wider audience, not to spoil first impression.

also bootup usb recognition is one of these things. one cannot expect people to have ps2 mouse and keyboard at disposal these days. i dont know about the distros, but i had problems there withn the nightlies.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2013 9:15:25
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@vox

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Native dual boot will need a real specific system http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_support


this is not entirely up to date.

Last edited by wawa on 30-Jun-2013 at 09:15 AM.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2013 9:22:53
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@Boot_WB

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Also, Roberto should probably understand that x86/x64 AROS isn't going to run Amiga 68K binaries, so won't be useful in the way 'advertised'.


it will to certain extent, with janus uae. i dont have experience with it but i guess it should look somehow transparently, but dont take my word on that.

another possibility would be to have boot option into transparent emulator (kinda amithlon) running aros68k distribution, in particular "aros vision" from olaf shoenweiss. it might be considered a little a childish or freaky solution. definitely not for corporate clients, but this isnt aros target audience anyway. in any case such an attempt reminds me what cusa had proposed with c64x. so far i recall you could boot directly into c64 emu there.

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Posted on 30-Jun-2013 9:28:45
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@resle

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There's a little more to that. From their "Store" page http://os4store.blogspot.com/p/hardware.html


history repeating.. for this marge one could at least stretch the boing ball logo to fit the background graphics.

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