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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 15:01:45
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@number6

got it. thanks

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:14:15
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"Now, refurbished PowerPC Macs. These machines have life left in them, as leases end and those machines become part of our Green strategy. We will be taking in PowerBook G4's, Mac minis and G5's. Until OS/4 PowerLinux becomes available we will ship those systems by default with MorphOS. Which is another Amiga like operating system. Its very elegant, very powerful and even more modern than the current release of AmigaOS 4.1. "


Interesting to note that Andreas Wolf has brought this up as on-topic for discussion on Morphzone.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:15:06
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@Rob

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I'm sure cgutjahr can back up what he says.


I didn't say he couldn't , I don't speak german so he could
help me find it because I couldn't ... It is very hard to find
a graphic trademark in language you know , impossible
in language you don't know ...

I'm not interested in AmigaOS 4 trademark to harm
anyone ... Maybe some steps could be taken by some
of the people using it in order to give it more freedom
to grow and legal protection if facts about it could
be obtained and made public ...

Not by me , I didn't imply that ...

EDIT: Just got back from work I see I got some
answers I''ll read them now ..

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:20:07
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@blizz1220

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AmigaOS 4 trademark to harm


Do you realise that "4" is only version number and Hyperion uses more general AmigaOS (or Amiga OS) on its pages (blog, forum, wiki, main AmigaOS page etc.)?

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:21:53
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@number6

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Interesting to note that Andreas Wolf has brought this up as on-topic for discussion on Morphzone.


Are they happy with centralized webshop at his marketplace?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:26:41
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@vox

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Are they happy with centralized webshop at his marketplace?


Actually in the few minutes since I posted that, a dedicated on-topic thread was opened by TMHG.

Refurbished Mac PPC HW with MorphOS coming?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:46:02
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@number6

It's interesting that all these things (including Amiga Games/Guild Writers going into Barns and Noble's Nook) are happening at once.


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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 17:47:55
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It's interesting that all these things (including Amiga Games/Guild Writers going into Barns and Noble's Nook) are happening at once.


If you followed the sale of Pentti Kouri's assets by the estate attorney(s), it pretty much makes perfect sense.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:09:57
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I agree with cgutjahr , Boing Ball or BoingBall Logo is
nowhere to be seen as registered trademark ...

that doesn't mean it's not registered somowhere ,
only professionals could tell for sure and they charge
thousand of euro for such searches ...

Yes , I realize AmigaOS is the trademark but AmigaOS 4
or even Amiga OS 4 could be newly registered trademark
somewhere that has nothing to do with prior stuff , court
proceeding and Amiga at all and somebody could have
registered it somewhere too but I see no proof of that
too ...

Acer / Gateway bought Amiga Inc. right ? I can't say I
remember much about all those giant buyers but I
think it was the last ...

Maybe they had some IP and they just let it die away
not being used or registered anywhere ...


Only people who know for sure are probably those
close to Benjamin Hermans , A-Eon and ACube
because I would assume they did hire lawyers
to check these things ... Maybe Hyperion was
quite successful until now in protecting Bong
Ball and AmigaOS 4 in Europe at least ...

EDIT : Knowing what I know now I don't think that
Ben Hermans is to blame for many things that took
place after initial conflicts that happened long time ago ...

It was mostly Bill McEwen that made dirty moves and
even this new Amiga Games Inc. scam is just a way
to fight everyone who wanted to end his reign over
Amiga IP ... No information are coming from Ben in
a long time though so his next move (if any) is
anybody's guess ...

And I don't like idea of A-Eon and ACube monopoly ...

Last edited by blizz1220 on 19-Jul-2013 at 06:18 PM.
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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:23:51
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@blizz1220

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Yes , I realize AmigaOS is the trademark but AmigaOS 4 or even Amiga OS 4 could be newly registered trademark somewhere that has nothing to do with prior stuff


Sorry, I don´t get what you mean. You really think that someone else than Hyperion can register "AmigaOS 4" as trademark? If so, I don´t think so.

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And I don't like idea of A-Eon and ACube monopoly ...


Monopoly? Two companies are too many for MONOpoly.

Design your own hardware, contact Hyperion and you can join them.

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:25:43
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There is a simple way to find who had what
intention and why ...

Moana was going to be cheap new hardware
that would bring in new users to Amiga community ...
Everybody wanted it as far as I saw , it was a
way to end all conflict ...

Possible people that killed it are Hyperion , A-Eon
and even ACube themselves (it's not one man with
one opinion) ...

If there was new light and some answers about why
Moana never happened and who used what legal
means to kill it than many facts would be revealed ...

EDIT : It just makes no sense , why wouldn't Hyperion
want Moana , it would be the best way to sell many new
copies of AmigaOS 4 ... Was there something stopping
Benjamin Hermans to go with project Moana and what ?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:30:37
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@blizz1220

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If there was new light and some answers about whyMoana never happened and who used what legalmeans to kill it than many facts would be revealed ..


Pardon me, but what are you talking about?

This was proposed during the time of the legal activity. Amiga Inc. did not license any h/w of any type from any company at any time...ever.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:35:03
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@number6

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This was proposed during the time of the legal activity. Amiga Inc. did not license any h/w of any type from any company at any time...ever.


Well , Hyperion got the right to develop AmigaOS 4 and port
it to different harware ... And MacMini is not Amiga or AmigaOne
so Amiga Inc. could do nothing about it for all we know ...
So then , why would they need Amiga Inc. blessing after the
court process was done ? Who was stopping it then ?

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:47:31
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@blizz1220

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Well , Hyperion got the right to develop AmigaOS 4 and portit to different harware ... And MacMini is not Amiga or AmigaOneso Amiga Inc. could do nothing about it for all we know ...So then , why would they need Amiga Inc. blessing after thecourt process was done ? Who was stopping it then ?


It was proposed to Bill at the same time as Sam was proposed. This is all in the court records. The logical explanation would be that since Acube had proceeeded with Sam, changing gears to a Mac port would be viewed in an unfavorable light by the h/w partners and the investment already made.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:49:46
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@number6

Barry Altman's claims that he was contacted by
executive from a large IT company and who told
him that he will arange a meeting between him
and whoever owns the trademark _were_ most
probably true ...

But it was Commdore trademark not Amiga as
far as I know ...

And it was just after Disney became his partner
so it would make sense then because nobody
knew that Barry's project was only big on the
outside back then ...

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:54:18
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@blizz1220

Sorry, but I don't understand that post either.

Barry used the C= trademark to get a response, so he could attempt to negotiate a license. The history is all on this site about Commodore Gaming and their claim up to the point when Barry was contacted by Ben Van Wijhe.
The deal is irrelevant in today's context if you've read the threads about Nedfield.
If you're talking about the Amiga trademark...heck everyone knows who to talk to specifically about that one.

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:09:43
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@number6

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Sorry, but I don't understand that post either. Barry used the C= trademark to get a response, so he could attempt to negotiate a license. The history is all on this site about Commodore Gaming and their claim up to the point when Barry was contacted by Ben Van Wijhe.


If he was the one working for Sony then yes ...

Barry had knowledge who owns what but he
didn't share it any more than anyone else ...
And he did make that vague remark "Never
assume anything" on the matter of who
owns what trademark ...

Maybe Bill McEwen was not the real owner of
trademarks but got them by scam (that is to say
he just started using them) ... I would expect
something like that from him ...

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:14:02
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@number6

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It was proposed to Bill at the same time as Sam was proposed. This is all in the court records. The logical explanation would be that since Acube had proceeeded with Sam, changing gears to a Mac port would be viewed in an unfavorable light by the h/w partners and the investment already made. #6


I don't see why people couldn't own AmigaOne
X1000 , SAM460 _and_ three or four MacMinis on
top of that if they would be willing to pay for the
copy of AmigaOS 4 for each machine ...

And it would mean money for Hyperion and new
users for AmigaOS 4 who can't / would never
afford Samantha or AmigaOne due to the price but
would want to try AOS 4 ...

If anyone says it's a bad thing then he lost me

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:24:46
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@blizz1220

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Maybe Bill McEwen was not the real owner of trademarks but got them by scam (that is to say he just started using them) ... I would expect something like that from him ...


I wonder how long are you in Amiga community? Bill McEwen was emloyed (and later fired) by then Amiga company in late 90s. In December 1999, after ultimate failure of AmigaNG project (Gateway2000), he (and his sponsors) purchased Amiga company and related IP. He wasn´t always "villain" we know him now, once he was man of vision. It was he who started AmigaOne project (2000) and later licensed AmigaOS developement to Hyperion (2001).

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:27:41
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34 pages for a ubuntu linux distro without any amigaos personalization like a theme or others..
OS4 OpenLinux for what?

For a boing white and blue?

Last edited by Seiya on 19-Jul-2013 at 07:28 PM.

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