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blizz1220 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:33:53
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@pavlor

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I wonder how long are you in Amiga community? Bill McEwen was emloyed (and later fired) by then Amiga company in late 90s. In December 1999, after ultimate failure of AmigaNG project (Gateway2000), he (and his sponsors) purchased Amiga company and related IP. He wasn´t always "villain" we know him now, once he was man of vision. It was he who started AmigaOne project (2000) and later licensed AmigaOS developement to Hyperion (2001).


So where did he get the money to buy something that giant
like Gateway left behind ?

If it is true that he bought everything he owns with Petti Couri
(probably misspelled the name) millions then ok I can belive
in that ...

As for my personal preference what I would like out of this
in the long run : I could maybe be interested in the Windows
XP replacement that can do everything Windows XP can do
and if there is some Amiga in there then the more power to
it I say ...

I could also buy a new classic system running super fast
68k baked to a chip but as things stand now it is a far
fetched dream ... Anyone would need to sell a lot of new
PCs called Amiga to get hundreds of thousand of $$$
nedded to sponsor that ...

Oh , and I would buy Morphos running on a Mac HW
in an tower that says Amiga ;)

EDIT : And a mouse and keyboard to match ;)

EDIT: And a new Aros sponsored by commercial
company that would be hybrid with linux and
would take the world by storm ;)

I will wait and see what comes true of this before that ...

Last edited by blizz1220 on 19-Jul-2013 at 06:38 PM.
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Nameless 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:50:42
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@blizz1220

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As for my personal preference what I would like out of this in the long run : I could maybe be interested in the Windows XP replacement that can do everything Windows XP can do and if there is some Amiga in there then the more power to it I say ...


Download and install Linux Mint. Install FS-UAE. Download AROS and run it in a VM inside Mint. All free, and basically what you just requested ... minus the boing ball. Install some Amiga-ish theme on Mint, and use a boing ball wallpaper, and there ya go.

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blizz1220 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 18:59:48
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@Nameless

No Linux can do what Windows can do now , people
would need to buy some Linux in large numbers and
company selling it would need to do a lot of development
in order for it to even compete with Windows ...
And if that Linux had some help from long gone Amiga brand
in it that would make such a nice irony ...

Chances are slim to none but I don't see why someone
who tried something like that shouldn't have my support ...

Main thing about it is the fact that it wouldn't be hurting
anyone in any camp and could possibly benefit all camps
if at all successful ...

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Daz 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:14:28
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@blizz1220

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Moana was going to be cheap new hardware
that would bring in new users to Amiga community ...
Everybody wanted it as far as I saw , it was a
way to end all conflict ...


Wrong. OS4 running on Mac hardware is the last thing that would end conflict, in fact it would increase it. Here is why:

Mac hardware is cheap at the moment because there is only the insignificant MorphOS market buying it. OS4 users outnumber MorphOS users by 15-20 times, and are more dedicated, meaning they will spend more money. Once you've got all those OS4 users chasing Mac hardware the price they would go for would increase 5 maybe 10 fold. and the cheap HW for MorphOS ride would have been over.

Who do you think the MorphOS fanboys would blame for that?

Regards
Darren

Vey happy X1000 owner.

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Boot_WB 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:21:21
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@Daz

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Daz wrote:
OS4 users outnumber MorphOS users by 15-20 times


Lol! I think the heat is getting to you matey, you might want to pop out for a couple down Princes Ave. You can easily prove me wrong by rounding up 29-39 Amiga OS4 users within the Hull boundary.

Anyway, I thought you lived South of the river for some reason...

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eliyahu 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:21:41
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@Daz

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Mac hardware is cheap at the moment because there is only the insignificant MorphOS market buying it. OS4 users outnumber MorphOS users by 15-20 times, and are more dedicated, meaning they will spend more money. Once you've got all those OS4 users chasing Mac hardware the price they would go for would increase 5 maybe 10 fold. and the cheap HW for MorphOS ride would have been over.

really?! are you sure about the 15-20x claim? i didn't know hyperion had ever released sales figures. it does seem -- at least via forum activity -- that there may be more AOS4 users out there than MOS users, but i can't really imagine there is an order of magnitude difference, surely. if i'm wrong here, please feel to correct me, of course. maybe i've just missed something.

-- eliyahu

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blizz1220 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:25:49
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@Daz

http://appleinsider.com/articles/03/12/16/apple_surpasses_half_million_mark_for_power_mac_g5_sales

There is at least half a million G5s out there ...
Should be enough for all ...

I see bad politics as more of a problem ...

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:26:39
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@Daz

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OS4 users outnumber MorphOS users by 15-20 times,


I don´t think so.

Mac hardware is dead-end. Cheap, without doubt. However, skills needed for such port(s) would be better used elsewhere. Look at current state of MorphOS G5 port: 1 GB RAM limit, no PCI cards, no 16 bit screen modes on R300 GFX cards. I hope next MorphOS port will be to some computer with PCie (and without firmware limitations like in case of GFX cards for Power Macs).

Quote:
Vey happy X1000 owner.


I envy you so much. Maybe X2000 will be in my price league.

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Kronos 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:45:42
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@pavlor

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I hope next MorphOS port will be to some computer with PCie


PCIe is just a different HW to talk to the same kind of GFX-chip with the same kind of SW-protocol.

Now wether it makes any sense to add support for any PCIe only chips before there is full support for older ones available in AGP is another question.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:47:46
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@Daz

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OS4 users outnumber MorphOS users by 15-20 times,


big lol...

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 19:57:14
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@Kronos

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Now wether it makes any sense to add support for any PCIe only chips before there is full support for older ones available in AGP is another question.


What is best AGP card Mac can support?

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Kronos 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 20:06:40
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@pavlor

Quote:

pavlor wrote:

What is best AGP card Mac can support?


Probraly something made by NVidia

Doesn't really matter as the cards that do work (up to 9800 AFAIK) offer plenty of omph for the slow CPUs used (yes a G5 is slow by todays standard).


Supporting PCIe based G5s and cards that fit them (Radeon X....) wouldn't be an issue as these chips are still in the same family (just like Radeon 8500 to 9250).
Non of the PCIe based G5s offeres better performance on the CPU side than the top AGP ones, so there is just no point in rushing there.

Beyond G5s there isn't anything PPC even on the horizon worth supporting and wether,when and how there will be solution to that dilema is beyond my knowledge.

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pavlor 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 20:30:00
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@Kronos

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Non of the PCIe based G5s offeres better performance on the CPU side than the top AGP ones, so there is just no point in rushing there.


970MP (eg in PCIe PowerMac G5) is faster per MHz than 970/970FX.

Quote:
Beyond G5s there isn't anything PPC even on the horizon worth supporting and wether,when and how there will be solution to that dilema is beyond my knowledge.


I think SAM460ex port is possible (was even semi-announced) - that would be easy way to PCIe (and Radeon HD GFX cards).

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 22:10:02
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@Daz

"15-20 times"

Sorry to destroy your illusions. From what I have heared (and what f.e. Fab told me) there are 800-900 active MorphOS users right now. If your estimate would be realistic there would be 15.000-20.000 AmigaOS user. Please ... From the discussions on amigaworld and on other sites you can assume that the AmigaOS camp has about the same size. The most optimistic estimates for all camps (expecially including 68k) are 10.000-15000.

That they are more willing to spend (or waste depending on the definition) money is out of discussion (sometimes strange for "outsiders") but the AmigaOS camp is certainly not outnumbering the MorphOS camp (or at least not much)

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 22:15:10
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@pavlor

"I envy you so much. Maybe X2000 will be in my price league."

See it this way. You have saved lots of money

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 22:16:32
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@wawa

he propably means "by dedication"

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Spectre660 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 22:21:31
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@OlafS25

There may be more than 1000 OS4.1 users on Sam440ep's alone .



Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:
@Daz

"15-20 times"

Sorry to destroy your illusions. From what I have heared (and what f.e. Fab told me) there are 800-900 active MorphOS users right now. If your estimate would be realistic there would be 15.000-20.000 AmigaOS user. Please ... From the discussions on amigaworld and on other sites you can assume that the AmigaOS camp has about the same size. The most optimistic estimates for all camps (expecially including 68k) are 10.000-15000.

That they are more willing to spend (or waste depending on the definition) money is out of discussion (sometimes strange for "outsiders") but the AmigaOS camp is certainly not outnumbering the MorphOS camp (or at least not much)

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Posted on 19-Jul-2013 22:24:05
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@Spectre660

the estimate of 700 AmigaOS user was based on a driver download (a discussion here on amigaworld). The estimate of 800-900 MorphOS user was by Fab (again based on real downloads). So guessing there might be more AmigaOS user (than MorphOS) already is optimistic. Where do you have your number from?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 22:39:45
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@wawa

Quote:

wawa wrote:
@Daz

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OS4 users outnumber MorphOS users by 15-20 times,


big lol...


This thread is a getting to be a big LOL.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 19-Jul-2013 23:01:10
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@OlafS25

I am taking a guess.

The Cs4281 audio driver version 5.5 for the Sam440ep on board audio,
uploaded 29 Jul 2009, has been downloaded 1326 times.
It is included on the Sam440ep update1 CD which was released on 14 Jan 2010

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