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olegil 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 12:20:20
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@blizz1220

methinks thou hasn't paid attention this last decade:
http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/145060

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 12:21:14
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This (nr6) will finally teach os4 users not to donate computers to each other as they might be misused. As for roberto at this point i dont care too much. Otherwise i agree with u, that he tries to provoke. However it sounds like he really honestly thinks like that. This is awnet here, remember. On aros exec was 4 page thread that fell down from the front page.

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blizz1220 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 12:42:32
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@olegil

Amazingly enough I remember reading that thread

Register agent : Bill McEwen
President : Wiliam Braveheart McEwen

I would say that Amiga Inc. is about to be sued or owes a
lot of money to someone so Bill quits "working" for that
company and is now "working" for Amiga Games Inc.
company ...

Just as he did with Amiga Inc. nr 2 and nr 3 Ltec and Amino
before this ... And I don't think his creditors got a lot of
money from him either

As the legal trail unfolds it seems that the true owner of
Amiga patents and technology (okay outdated by factor
of 20 years but still) is Acer / Gateway consortium ...
They didn't want Amiga so they gave that part to Bill and
kept technology and patents (except few worthless ones)
to themselves ...

EDIT : Confiscating anyone's computer or anything else
fall under "robbery" unless you are working for the
police or maybe some other state agency ...

What are you on about now ?

Last edited by blizz1220 on 24-Jul-2013 at 12:54 PM.
Last edited by blizz1220 on 24-Jul-2013 at 12:42 PM.

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vox 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 12:58:29
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@OlafS25

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Why are you so nervous about this all the time? You do not like Roberto and you do not like what he does. Fine, we know that already. All the time explaining how bad they are and all what they do is evil is slowly becoming boring.


Unlike C=USA I find Roberto way more thinking of what he does, even sometimes he does quick mistakes (like renaming distro Amiga Open Linux, or often renaming it at all).

However, its all PR for now, yet to be proven.

There is neither dire need to attack him or defend, or to discuss it further,
until there is something to really discuss, worth of use.

Two things come to my mind

a) Anyone experienced in LInux willing to test his Linux vs major free distros
b) Anyone willing to point us out to AROS Exec thread, since his current moves
majorly involve AROS
c) His current deal with Cloanto doesn`t look like confirmed long term partnership. I even do believe
AF price in his package is slightly higher then when buying it separately. Or am I wrong?

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:15:45
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@vox

Yes I agree that much is marketing. The "brainstorming list" he published at the start was a mistake because completely unrealistic. And much is still open.

But I think they are neither angel nor evil and they do it for self-interest and not altruism.

A,b,c are three things

I think Wawa wants to test it

the thread (already off from the board because it never created that much dust there. AROS people are (mostly) more relaxed in such things)

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8340&forum=4&post_id=82623#forumpost82623

to C... I think he wrote "to terms of" or similar. We all looked at it as a kind of contract but it could propably simple mean that they were informed how they could legally include Forever without breaking laws. It is again this "marketing" language instead to write it clearly.

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blizz1220 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:20:19
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@cgutjahr

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nd somebody should pay #6 a visit and confiscate all of his computers. Anybody living in the area?


I will once again read between the lines and assume that
maybe Number 6 went over with his Sam to Roberto ...

If he did that the reason would probably be that he wants
to "check out" Roberto and his office first hand so he would
get a clearer picture with whom he is talking to ...

Stop jumping to conclusions ...

But you could be right that he needs the attention , any
company owner likes attention as it means more sales
in the long run and more money in the bank ...

Last edited by blizz1220 on 24-Jul-2013 at 01:22 PM.

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cgutjahr 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:30:59
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@OlafS25

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Why are you so nervous about this all the time?

I'm not nervous - I'm annoyed that this is still going on. This thread has a length of 40 pages and now we're down to discussing if MorphOS might be ahead of OS4 - because Mr. Dohnert said so. Seriously?

You could use Dohnert's PR efforts so far to write a textbook on "how not to introduce yourself to a community if you want to be taken serious". Yet there are people in this thread insisting he can't be written off as a giant joke or ripoff yet.

Other people seem to be cheering him on behind the scenes, in the hope his inane attempts to grab some trademark rights might shed some light on what's going on with AInc, McEwen and Kouri's estate.

All of that pisses me off. Have we really sunken that low?

Quote:

You do not like Roberto and you do not like what he does.

You sound like Dohnert is doing the old "I'll exchange some mails with the guy, feed him some alleged insider info to make him feel special" routine with you that the likes of McEwen, Ben Hermans or Bill Buck introduced to this community a decade ago.

I've been there myself, Olaf - and the wakeup call was rather ugly. You better start running. Now.

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vox 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:44:22
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@OlafS25

c thing came later on my mind

Quote:
It is again this "marketing" language instead to write it clearly.


Point of marketing is:

a) One is to resell or bundle some one elses product purchased and reselled
b) Other is to have partnership that usually gives some benefit like lower price,
integration and direct purchase no 3rd party included ...

He claims b) but actually does a)

Similar was with Disney and C=USA (Tron with C64x). Disney never confirned.

Its lowend marketing, pretending to be big (like ACER partnership thing).

But the man runs his bussiness.

Integrating AROS hosted is not that big thing hard to do, since again you use
already done deal.

And AROS people feel it well
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=82724#forumpost82724


I will try really not to dicuss this anymore, even 15 more announcements come.

I ll give Roberto time and credit he asked for: end of 2013 for beta PPC
Linux I expect to support A1 X1000 like he announced.

Also, building drivers for AROS to have it native for his hardware.

This is really work and challenge that does bring good to others to.

Less PR, more work!

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phoenixkonsole 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:45:22
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@cgutjahr
Mein Gott! Ich liebe dich : )

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:49:58
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@cgutjahr

Noone discusses if Morphos is ahead of AmigaOS because we all know it already. I am just more relaxed.

I do not think that he can do any harm to the community (that was not done already) so I am not that angry/pissed off and so on. I do not act in the interest of AmigaInc. or Hyperion regarding trademark either because i am not paid for it. They will do what they think is necessary and possible. I do not see how he can do harm, at worst he is not helping or changing anything.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:51:31
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@phoenixkonsole

Euch scheints wirklich gut zu gehen wenn ihr keine andere Sorgen habt...

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phoenixkonsole 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:55:24
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@OlafS25
Sure, tomorrow we have a big BBQ party : )
I try to control a quad-copter from my Raspi and play with face recognition. Also I am waiting for Robokind to arrive. Eh.. yeah than we will check out some theme parks with the kids...

Yep, everything is fine.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:55:34
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@vox

Yes there is a lot of "marketing" language and i personally would prefer to have honest clear statements instead. We will see what comes out at the end. I do not understand why people here are that "pissed off" because of it. What can he make worse than it is already is? If he starts to illegal use trademarks they will be sued (by AmigaInc and/or Hpyerion). But that is not my problem...

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:56:16
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@phoenixkonsole

gratulation

lots of news tomorrow

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phoenixkonsole 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 13:58:47
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@OlafS25
Correct. No one is pissed of because of what they try now. Everyone was pissed off because the provocation with "Amiga" and talking ####. Now it is ok and we can all relax... but whoever takes it serious now may be a fool.

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 14:01:33
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@phoenixkonsole

Yes they are "back to earth". And now we will see what they manage to do (or not). It would have been better if they had started where they are now.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 14:35:47
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@OlafS25

Quote:
I think Wawa wants to test it

i dont want nor expect anything particular. i think the situation will resolve by itself. there is no action we should be up to neither pro nor contra. but if this is a welcome opportunity for another flame thread, be my guests.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 14:37:51
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@cgutjahr

Quote:
Have we really sunken that low?

yes we did, i thoght you were notified.
Quote:
You better start running. Now.

i dont feel in danger. you?

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OlafS25 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 14:44:10
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@wawa

I think I read you wanted to try it out. But perhaps I misunderstood it.

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wawa 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jul-2013 15:04:21
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@OlafS25

i just think its not to worth to discuss it and check his page ten times a day. if he is for attention he will eventually get away, and if he is genuine he will do what he announces. time will tell and i wont be disappointed either way.

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