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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 27-Jul-2013 22:03:08
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So is OS4 a follow up to OS/2 by any chance?


I asked "where are the past 3 OSs" but Roberto didn`t reply.
Later on replied that it was PC OS but then it became OS4U which
he shortened from US "Operating system for you" to "Operating System Four"
to save a letter.

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I can't understand why so many people have even responded to this thread. Dohnert is clearly just another snake oil salesman who started this thread by talking in circles about about a very lame attempt to pass off a Linux distro as something Amiga related.....nothing new to see here....keep on moving.....


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You now officially owe me 1 irony-meter you just broke !!


Yes, I know you feel the same about DiscreetFX, about it doesn`t make
wrong what DFX says in this case

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 1:14:44
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@vox

I'm sorry that Barry died I really am. And cancer is a horrible way to go, that sucks. But I didn't appreciate the little snide comments from CUSA that maybe Amiga.org was not authorized to use the word Amiga. Tedd spent a lot of money buying Amiga.org and the mods and myself spent a lot of our personal time running it. We didn't appreciate threats trying to bend Amiga.org to CUSA's will.

Was I suppose to be impressed that Barry spent money on the original C64 case design injection molds? I wasn't, what a waste of money. Commodore threw away that design over 20 years ago and made a better one. I hope no company comes along again to try and pillage the Amiga community. If it does we should try and stamp it out ASAP. Is Roberto like CUSA? I have no idea, the word is still out. Actions speak louder than words.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 3:27:52
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AFAIR, the A1X1K wasn't announced three to six months after Ben stopped communicated with Barry/Leo. I remember commenting to Leo on that was probably the reason why Ben stopped communicated with them shortly after A-Eon was announced with their A1X1K project. If Barry had known about A-Eon and the A1X1K, I doubt he would have made an offer to Hyperion to pay for a OS4 port to x86 and fee per license.


So Barry and Leo were communicating with Ben around mid to late 2009. Maybe I got my dates wrong but things seem to suggest that C=USA didn't start up until around April 2010 and Leo joined some time after that.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 9:00:54
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Seems Dammy forgot to read Barry's interview on Amiga.org

http://www.discreetfx.com/CEOCommodoreUSAInterview.pdf

From the interview

"Amiga.org member: What happened during the discussions I would assume you had with Ben Hermans and maybe Trevor about the attempt to
license the AmigaOS for your Licensed Amiga hardware that
you could build based on perhaps a Sam or X1000 motherboard
in an official Amiga case.

Barry: Dont ever assume anything. (Im sure youre all familiar with a very
popular adage). I have never had any conversation with either of them, although there are still possibilities for collaboration, but it is not for me to discuss these matters publicly."


This sums up Barrys feelings on NG Amiga systems.

Amiga.org member: How much has CUSA contributed to any AmigaOS, AROS or MOS bounties ?

Barry: Not a dime, and we have not seen a requirement to do so as we do
not utilise any of those OSes, nor are we allowed to.

Amiga.org member: Do you intend to contribute to any Amiga related bounties such as the Magellan one? Given the on-going development of OS4 as well as AROS, etc. What plans does C-USA have to incorporate support of any of these Amiga-ish operating systems into their Amiga branded machines?

Barry: No. We do not utilise any of those OSes, and until we do so, have no plans to contribute to these environments. We are more likely to contribute to the Linux ecosystem at this point. Incidentally Commodore OS has a Dopus Megellan clone pre-installed as standard already. Ironic, that we already have it, and a much more refined version at that.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 9:35:09
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@DiscreetFX

+1

I can remember something like "waste of money" to invest in the amiga community, so I doubt he ever has invested anything, had intention to and propably never had the money to do so. If he had the chance to install AROS on one of his rebranded "Amigas" perhaps he had installed it (but that does not mean he would ever give money and it is not certain so bad he spoke about all NG camps). He also claimed to install "AmigaForever" what never happened (at least as far as I know). So the only connection to the community was the brand "Amiga" and that he expected the members to buy his overprized hardware.

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Posted on 28-Jul-2013 9:56:58
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@thread

Might be interesting to note that Roberto is ripping off
CommodoreUSA trademarks as much as anyone else's ...

Meanwhile , in the real world no change is taking place ...

But do keep this thread alive , it is geiing to be
most amusing

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 13:41:11
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@DiscreetFX

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This sums up Barrys feelings on NG Amiga systems.


The thing about quoting "selected" passages is, that someone else can quote "selected" passages as well...

Try page 4 of the .pdf, as it may help you with the "nor are we allowed to" that you glossed over.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 13:58:24
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Try page 4 of the .pdf, as it may help you with the "nor are we allowed to" that you glossed over.


Quite cruel punishment, reading Q&A with Mr. Altman.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 14:12:21
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@vox

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Quite cruel punishment, reading Q&A with Mr. Altman.


There are plenty of threads off the front page to put the last few pages of pointless debate in really.

the on-topic forum

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 14:31:22
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@DiscreetFX

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"Amiga.org member: What happened during the discussions I would assume you had with Ben Hermans and maybe Trevor about the attempt to license the AmigaOS for your Licensed Amiga hardware that you could build based on perhaps a Sam or X1000 motherboard in an official Amiga case. Barry: Dont ever assume anything. (Im sure youre all familiar with a very popular adage). I have never had any conversation with either of them, although there are still possibilities for collaboration, but it is not for me to discuss these matters publicly."


I am not sure why Barry said that, unless I was mistaken and he was in contact with Evert at the time and not Ben. I was not happy when I was told about proposal and I clearly remember communicating with Leo when A-EON and their A1X1K popped on to the RADAR screen as the reason why Hyperion stopped talking to C=USA.

As far as his comments about supporting OSs he could not use, well, that's life. He was more interested in cash flow to insure C=USA remained profitable then he was to donate to charity that he would never benefit from. If you want to know more, come talk to me at AmiWest 2013 as I have more to say but not in public.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 17:24:35
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I don't think I'll be attending a show that actively sells and promotes a software product that's been broken and none-functional for many years (Pagestream 5.x Pro AmigaOS 4 & MorphOS version). As an owner of Pagestream 5.x Pro on all platforms I would love to be proven wrong on this.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 17:32:43
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@DiscreetFX

hold on there, pardner.... that's not fair.

the show has nothing to do with deron. chuck has been 'representing' pagestream at the show for years, which consists of handing people an order form if they ask for it. that's it. i doubt pagestream has had a sale at the show for a long time. and no one there last year had heard much from deron at all, either. when he goes dark, he goes dark for everyone.

if that's the only thing preventing you from coming, that's a shame. it's a nice get-together and one of the very few left in the US. come on out to california this october. you'll have a nice time.

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Posted on 28-Jul-2013 17:37:39
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I did not know this, I'll think about attending then. I would like to get in the C programmers class before the show. I'm thinking of moving back to California in the next year anyway. I lived in LA from 1995-1999.

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Posted on 28-Jul-2013 18:30:33
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@DiscreetFX

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I don't think I'll be attending a show that actively sells and promotes a software product that's been broken and none-functional for many years


Is this animus toward Pagestream and Deron what really lies behind trying to start the porting of Scribus to Amiga?

BTW, I only own half as many versions of PgS as you do. But I must say that the Windoze version seems to work just fine, and the Amiga version 5.0.x.x (not in front of my Amiga to remember the exact version number) works OK with OS4.1u6 on my A1-XE although it's fair to say it's not a finished version.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 19:41:04
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@Paul

Pagestream 5.0 Pro works fine on Windows, OS X & Linux with the exception of advertised features like PDF import not working right. The classic Amiga version is stuck at version 4.1 which does work on OS4. This version is as ancient as the Egyptian Pharaohs and does not have MUI. I specifically mentioned the versions that don't work, version 5.0 Pro for AmigaOS 4 & MorphOS. These have been sold for many years even though they have never worked.

Scribus being ported is to give customers more professional software choices for AmigaOS 4 & MorphOS.

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Posted on 28-Jul-2013 20:10:09
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@DiscreetFX

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Amiga.org member: How much has CUSA contributed to any AmigaOS, AROS or MOS bounties ?

Barry: Not a dime, and we have not seen a requirement to do so as we do
not utilise any of those OSes, nor are we allowed to.


Barry Altman was "not allowed to" use free opensource AROS because Barry Altman made a rule that any company he was involved with would never do anything that might support any part of the Amiga community.

Barry Altman was "not allowed to" pay a small reasonable fee to license MorphOS and then call it "CommodoreOS" because Barry Altman banned himself from doing anything that might benefit the Amiga community.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 20:36:37
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I'm not sure when Barry got cancer but peddling overpriced Linux boxes to the Amiga community should have been the last thing on his mind. We didn't ask for them or even want them. If he had restarted development on Amithlon or funded something else revolutionary in the Amiga market that could merge Linux & Amiga like that then it might have been worth his time. Sitting in front of a computer on internet forums was a waste. Supposedly he was wealthy, he could have spent that valuable limited time vacationing around the world or getting out and living to the fullest away from computers.

If I found I had cancer the last thing I would spend lots of time doing is sitting in front of a computer.

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Posted on 28-Jul-2013 20:53:21
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@DiscreetFX

Well he wasn't multimillionaire as far as I know so he
couldn't really invest that much ... Whole thing never
seemed that big to me , it was only big on the outside ...

For all we know he was no more rich than Trevor ,
probably even less and considering that he was
nearing his end he was probably thinking more
of what he would leave behind for his family ...

His strategy was clear for anyone that wanted to
see it for what it was , he wanted to use Amiga
brand name and put latest technology in a branded
case (Windoze box if you will) and sell it to regular
people as a P(ersonal)C(omputer) ...

His strategy was ask for a fortune and lean on the
brand name and see how it goes ... Funny thing
about it is that there was interest , make no mistake
about it ... And he kept saying that if and when he starts
making money on his PCs he plans to support
Amiga community with that money but only if
and when he starts making money ...

He had absolutely no idea what Amiga community
was and he made many mistakes in PR but I
still think that some people tend to overreact in
protecting long gone brand ...

He never hurt anyone financially or legally , all
he did was make some not so smart statements
which he retracted later ...

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blizz1220 wrote:
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Well he wasn't multimillionaire as far as I know so he
couldn't really invest that much ... Whole thing never
seemed that big to me , it was only big on the outside ...

Wait.. what?!? You are forgetting he could afford a $30,000,000.00 advertising budget! Or are you saying he made that part up?


Quote:

He never hurt anyone financially or legally , all
he did was make some not so smart statements
which he retracted later ...

Did he ever retract the $30 million dollar claim?

Is there someplace where I could find all his retractions so that I could understand the situation better?

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 28-Jul-2013 21:40:47
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@thread

Even though this didn't work the first time, I'll try again.


If you are going to discuss Barry Altman and CommodoreUSA, they have their own forums OFF the front page here.
This was done at the request of members.


CUSA and other products and companies using Amiga brand licensed from Amiga Inc.

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