@number6

Time to take another look at the hub. It seems like Gregg is having a major meltdown (see post 13885 and the reply to it):

http://investorshub.advfn.com/Writ-Media-Group-Inc-WRIT-17324/

Things must be getting desperate. Gregg reminds me of that Iraqi officer during the last Gulf War who had to keep appearing on TV and tell people that they were winning the war while there was smoke and flames visible behind him. I suspect that he might be a used car salesman in his spare time.

Edit: I must stop following the links there. It is becoming as addictive as a soap opera just to follow the posts.

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@Darrin

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Edit: I must stop following the links there. It is becoming as addictive as a soap opera just to follow the posts.

I know. I read the rest of the thread I linked to, which reminded me of the "board of directors announcement" ploy.

I still shudder at how fast Fran Dramis scurried around to remove any reference to Amiga Inc. from his linkedin etc. heh.

But I think WRIT already did the name dropping bit when they mentioned the major investor, right? (evil grin)

Oh...and the post you referred to was hastily deleted by the propaganda dept. erm...I mean the PR dept.

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I found (what I think) is the same PR company on Linked-In and it seems to boast 4 employees.

http://www.digneypr.com/Clients.html

Apparently "WRIT Media Group" doesn't fall into the category of "client" just yet.

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Interesting. The parent company has been around for 30 years, but this seems to be an offshoot or restructuring of that company. Strangely enough, a very close family member of one of their listed clients works for my company. I'll have to ask her for some details. Perhaps I'll use them too!

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@Darrin

Quite a busy posting weekend at the hub. Certainly not the norm.

After repeated mention of no products whatsoever existing for purchase, WRIT PR seems to have lost their cool and made it quite clear they don't intend to discuss the company in relation to actual products.

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You can ask all you want, but it is still none of your business. End of conversation.

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Wow! I see what you mean. I love Gregg basically telling shareholders that they don't have any rights to know how the company spends money, and again and again he ducks the questions on products.

Looking back a couple of pages, the posts by QS just mimic previous ones by "BULL CHARGE". Same sort of pump and dump PR.

I can't wait to see what this NASCAR advertising looks like or if it even happens. I'm pretty sure it won't be a whole car covered in WRIT logos and I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a 1" x 1" ad in the match program's back pages along with "Bubba's Pizzas" and "Take-A-Dump Porta-Potties".

Any sense of professionalism has now vanished. The rats have been cornered and they're lashing out at everything. It would be tempting to buy the whole mess for a couple of thousand bucks if we could actually find it what (if anything) Amiga-wise they have the rights to.

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if we could actually find it what (if anything) Amiga-wise they have the rights to.

If you read the post about the consultant, you'll know they have some-one Amiga-wise under their wing. Right or wrong, that's why I see so many parallels here.

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From that link, it appears that Amiga Inc made a plastic bag called Amiga Games, dumped some assets into it and used Bill to carry the bag to WRIT for inspection. WRIT bought the bag and its contents from Amiga Inc, dismissed Bill as an employee of Amiga Games, but retained him in some way as a "consultant" (a catch-all for just about anything).

What isn't clear is if the plastic bag contained the full rights to something or whether it was just assorted licenses. After all, it would make a big difference. Also, what exactly was in the bag regardless of the rights? Somehow I doubt there is a reliable list we can read.

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The main problem we face is that it is no longer clear who owns what so buying WRIT/Amiga Games to try and get access to the Amiga trademark could be a complete waste of time if you later discover that Amiga Inc didn't own the rights to the trademark they "sold" to Amiga Games to start with, or that you have to fight off a legal challenge from another company who think they have the rights to it because it was just sold to them by "C-USA" or someone else.

By the time it all gets sorted out you'll probably have forgotten what you wanted to do with the rights anyway.

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@Darrin

Earlier posts in this thread indicate hundreds of games. Try going back to page 1 for some links about that.

That's why I recently mentioned we've gone backwards from a year ago's "hundreds" to:

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Amiga Games and Retro Infinity, will introduce multiple classic video game titles later this year

Along with the additional year delay of course.

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That was the point of some earlier posts on this topic (and in the news article also on AW)...that they didn't own what they were "selling"/including in this package.

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Exactly the point I'm trying to make. There's a difference between what Amiga Inc claims to own (or transfer to Amiga Games) and what they actually own. The only think we know for sure is that Bill was involves in the transfer, but what was legally transferred is a complete mystery and I would trust any list provided by WRIT either.

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@Darrin

simple way of finding out (but costly) use the trademark you want and wait till they send the cease and desist. ask for proof of their claim then use a dummy company to approach them to buy out the rights(since they probably won't want to deal with you under threat of litigation or will price gouge.) if they have no proof let it go to litigation and you can take the rights from them(assuming multiple companies don't think they have those rights.)

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simple way of finding out (but costly) use the trademark you want and wait till they send the cease and desist.

My how times change.

That's exactly what Barry Altman did with the Commodore trademark, in order to merely locate the true owner at the time. And he was crucified on the forums for doing that.
This makes me believe stronger than ever, it's not what you do, but who you are that determines right and wrong to people.

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IIRC, Barry did a lot more than that to get crucified on the forums.

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While that method should work, it could still take years to sort out. How long did the Hyperion/Amiga case go on for? That seemed like a lifetime. Lawyers should be paid by the case and not by the hour.

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IIRC, Barry did a lot more than that to get crucified on the forums.

Now now Darrin...no one is denying that. heh.

And we had a similar discussion:

post #129 and onward

The only point I'm trying to make here is obvious. People believe what they want to believe about motives, without really knowing what the motive might truly be.
Trying to find the answers to the questions about "who owns what" often requires methodology be employed that most folks are simply not familiar with.
A user might employ such methodology (as we have seen) due do to sheer lack of understanding as to how his actions might affect another.
A business, however, usually has attorneys, and therefore when they perform a similar action, it's wise to pause and ponder why an attorney would advise such an action as somewhat risk free. Heh.

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Now now Darrin...no one is denying that. heh.

I could have been worse. He could have hired Gregg from the hub to do his PR work.

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And we had a similar discussion:

I must admit that I switched off in that thread. AROS 68K is the only version that interests me.

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The only point I'm trying to make here is obvious. People believe what they want to believe about motives, without really knowing what the motive might truly be. Trying to find the answers to the questions about "who owns what" often requires methodology be employed that most folks are simply not familiar with. A user might employ such methodology (as we have seen) due do to sheer lack of understanding as to how his actions might affect another. A business, however, usually has attorneys, and therefore when they perform a similar action, it's wise to pause and ponder why an attorney would advise such an action as somewhat risk free. Heh.

True enough.

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That's exactly what Barry Altman did with the Commodore trademark, in order to merely locate the true owner at the time. And he was crucified on the forums for doing that. This makes me believe stronger than ever, it's not what you do, but who you are that determines right and wrong to people.

you know the old saying history is written by the victor.

personally i would rather figure it out but you have to also consider the cost.
either way it is gonna cost but which one would be cheaper?

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figure it out

I'll prolly be shot for repetition, but I'll go for it:

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In a way, the new "Amiga" companies got what they wanted: complete confusion.

Source:FreeAmiga, and by now everyone knows where that site is. Heh.

Each little splinter protects its own little piece of the pie. One can choose to resent that or accept it as "just business".
While re-unification and resolution of ownership would solve some of this, it creates a myriad of new issues to deal with.

Without detailing a list, just think of the personal and very human side.
"sheesh, you mean I spent all this time on what I believe in and now you're going to take it away? I'm outta here!"

Instead of the above reaction we also see in some cases a defense mounted that basically involves the negative painting of a portrait of the one trying to unite people. In that case the new entity feels compelled to defend themselves, and without further ado, all that remains of the original idea is another flamefest.

More amazing still is that the new entity and the existing "owners" of the pieces of the pie do all of this without ever sitting down to discuss how they can work together.

^ok. Crude example, but it opens the door to understanding how much there is to this. And now I'm way off topic. Heh.

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Well, they're discussing the last lawsuit for Fraud, negligent representation and, 3 counts of violation of California corporate codes again.

I think they might get more mileage out of this link though:

http://www.pumpsanddumps.com/2011/12/amwest-imaging-debacle-what-did.html

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