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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 22-Nov-2013 14:51:28
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10 platform in one go? Yes, that's the next thing I wondered about. I mean IF they use Unity then why don't they use it right? On the kickstarter-page the XBOX isn't mentioned at all. Neither is the Wii. And Mac, Playstation etc. are ONLY offered if the pledge-limit is exceeded significantly. And Linux, although Unity supports it, will "only available to port".
Hm... So, while you are right that you could target lots of devices in one rush thanks to Unity - then why don't they do it? Really, a weirdo campaign |
It is not enough to just release a binary for all of the platforms supported by Unity, each version should be tested and support should be given for all of them, too. For example, Unity might have some limitations for some of the supported platforms, or additional code might be required (e.g. defining the controls on the touchscreen on the Android smartphones). In case of bugs, developers and hardware should be available to try to reproduce them and eventually release bugfixed versions for specific platforms.
Unity surely helps to support many platforms, but additional effort is still required to properly support each game version._________________ AmigaOne XE - AmigaOS 4.1 - Freescale 7457 1GHz - 1GB ram |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 25-Nov-2013 21:59:24
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Um, why are posters, calendars & hats $250-$500 dollars? Has printing gone up that much? _________________ Sent from my Quantum Computer. |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 25-Nov-2013 22:35:35
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That's the way kickstarter works sometimes. But yeah, I am a bit disappointed in their rewards structure.
They should have offered more goodies in the $40-$60 range... tshirts, or something. I would be willing to spend more (although not $200 more), for a t-shirt, boxed game, calendar, etc. which probably costs them like $5 to make. It'd certainly be more tempting that 3-5 downloads of the same game. Last edited by Nameless on 25-Nov-2013 at 10:37 PM.
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 2:15:11
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| way did ther not use amiga anywere 2 to make wings remake then it will work on mac and windows too..... hahahahaha
what ever happent with amiga.inc and ther amiga anywere2 ?
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 3:25:09
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 6:25:07
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| you people need to stop whining. You remind of someone crying about why avator not released on my laserdisk player? Face it amiga is a dead platform, just be thankfull there are people that appreciated the amiga for what it was, and are seeking to update our favorite games to the year 2013. _________________ "ICE CREAM, ICE CREAM!" - Speedball 2.
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 7:42:28
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Amiga is not like a LaserDisc! The AmigaOne platform is more like the Ouya, Sega Dreamcast or Atari Falcon. The machine is available and shows merit but is not high enough profile (or cheap enough) to hit the mainstream. Should get a version of the Wings remake though. _________________ "Art challenges technology. Technology inspires the art." John Lasseter, Co-Founder of Pixar Animation Studios |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 17:06:38
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 17:21:19
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good idea
The "Wing-guys" have learned that there are some amigans who react on every mentioning or vague promise of "AmigaOS" and they still need money for their kickstarter. If it becomes clear that people are not as stupid as they think this all will stop. |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 19:12:48
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I haven't kept track, but did they list AmigaOS in their kickstarter, or what flavor of Amiga? AROS, MorphOS, Classic, AmigaOS, and now ARIX.... an 'Amiga' version nowadays can mean several things.
The simplest port of Wings, which really wouldn't be a port exactly, could possibly be a Linux version that includes a scaled down Linux (ie Puppy Linux) to boot up with, or run in a seamless virtual machine, on the Amiga One. So in theory, the AmigaOne could run Wings, but just not in AmigaOS exactly. But Linux on PPC may be sort of weird there, so not sure if that could even work. I also haven't kept track of what sorts of graphics cards the newer Amigas are compatible with, so not sure horsepower-wise either. Last edited by Nameless on 26-Nov-2013 at 07:13 PM.
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 19:33:35
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I told them to contact your company if they were serious about an OS4.1 port based on the excellent job done with Battle Squadron |
Thanks for the flowers, but no thanks It's pretty simple: no z-buffer, no multiplicative blending or, even better, vertex-coloring = no Wings "HD" for RadeonHD._________________ AmigaOS 4.1 FE (sam460ex Radeon 9200 / RadeonHD), MorphOS 3.8 (PowerMac G4 733MHz Radeon 9000), AROS (x86), A1200 (060 80MHz Indivision MK2), A500, A600, CDTV Wings Remastered Development Diary |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 20:57:22
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That's because it's a pledge, not a web shop; most of the money will finance the game's development. That's how all the project on Kickstarter work.
Varthall Last edited by Varthall on 26-Nov-2013 at 08:57 PM.
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 21:31:10
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BigD wrote: @cheesegrate
Amiga is not like a LaserDisc! The AmigaOne platform is more like the Ouya, Sega Dreamcast or Atari Falcon. The machine is available and shows merit but is not high enough profile (or cheap enough) to hit the mainstream. Should get a version of the Wings remake though. |
You cannot compare it to even the Ouya.. The ouya at least is compatible with most android/smartphone games and only need slight tweaking to be ported over the ouya. What does Amiga have today??? Nothing.... |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 26-Nov-2013 22:50:48
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What does Amiga have today??? Nothing.... |
Why are you here then?
Yes, I'd like to play Worms Revolution on an Amiga but it isn't profitable for Team17 to port it, ditto their new Alien Breed series. Hence, I've been playing the very enjoyable Matt Berry voiced game on my Apple machine. However, this Kickstarter team are happy to help Amiga developers make a version of the Wings: Remastered by supplying the sources etc. That is better than nothing. I pledged on the Elite: Dangerous kickstarter and it is looking really good. People like me made sure there would be a Mac version by funding it over and above what was needed and if Wings is funded then good things could happen for an Amiga version. However, there is no point moaning! Put your money where you mouth is or get coding yourself!
M.A.C.E. looks like a great game and more could be coming! Have some belief brother!
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 27-Nov-2013 11:07:51
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Unity surely helps to support many platforms, but additional effort is still required to properly support each game version. |
Later on, when all is done, additional proper support: yes. But, as you mentioned yourself:
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Exactly! We are primarily talking about the game's development costs. And that's when the big question-marks appear regarding this campaign (not to mention the AmigaOS4 semi-promise which strongly appears to be just a way to get some additional bucks from the Amiga-world by creating false hopes, we all know that a high-quality 1:1 port is not possible at the moment and even a massively simplified version is highly questionable, and no Unity, so their source-code would be near to worthless anyway):
As you said, additional effort for more platforms: yes.
But by using Unity a Mac-version can be considered done already as soon as the PC version is up and running. Only minor tweaks necessary, if at all. Asking for an additional 10k for development cannot be justified.
Same, or even worse, with OUYA. They ask for another 35k above the entry-level. This cannot be justified, considering that at entry-level an Android-version is already there. OUYA is Android with just very minor specialties (most due to some style-guides OUYA enforces).
Those three things, AOS4, Mac and OUYA... sorry, but it simply has that smell, you know... Last edited by Daytona675x on 27-Nov-2013 at 11:09 AM.
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 27-Nov-2013 11:18:21
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No amiga version = not interesting for me.....
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 27-Nov-2013 11:23:06
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Amiga is not like a LaserDisc!
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Yes, It has less users.
Face it, retro plattforms like the C64 have more users._________________ AmigaONE. Haha. Just because you can put label on it does not make it Amiga.
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 27-Nov-2013 11:28:10
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it depends on how you define "Amiga". If you reduce it to "AmigaOS" then yes, if you use it for 68k (the equivalent to C64) then no. |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 27-Nov-2013 14:22:52
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Welcome to Amigaworld! Is this your first visit? _________________ This weeks pet peeve: Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean. |
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Re: Wings: Remastered Edition Kickstarter project opened, possible AmigaOS port Posted on 9-Dec-2013 9:29:01
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It seems the reference to sources being released for AmigaOS has disappeared? Can anyone confirm this, or am I just losing my eyesight?
Original wording
Current wording - Third big picture down page.
I hope no one backed it just to get the source code released for AmigaOS... Last edited by Xmas87 on 09-Dec-2013 at 09:36 AM. Last edited by Xmas87 on 09-Dec-2013 at 09:29 AM.
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