What is hapening on the touch screen support "area"?

Is there analysis done what changes are needed in Amigalike OSs / GUIs to support touch screen fully?

Is there work ongoing in implementing something?

I wish we could have common development for all flavours, even though I would expect AROS to be the first one to enter tablet natively (x86 tablets exist and evolve nicely).

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@KimmoK

MorphOS supports touchscreens via Poseidon.

@rzookol

Having the option of connecting one is a good start, but that's really not enough. How much support is there?

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For OS4, there's a driver for eGalax' USB touchscreens on os4depot:
http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=driver/input/egalaxtouch4a.lha

There's also another driver for a touch screen, developed by Simon Archer, though I don't know if it has been ever released:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92-5VDB7i4

Varthall

Last edited by Varthall on 11-Dec-2013 at 09:14 AM.

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To be more clear.

We need more than just to be able to move the mouse cursor.

Initially it would be ok if we have some clever mouse emulation using the touch screen, but things like multitouch support etc. should be developed later.

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@KimmoK

You don't need to create any specific support. Turn any special events into existing events with qualifier keys on driver level. Touch pads are supported already.

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@KimmoK

Quote:

Is there analysis done what changes are needed in Amigalike OSs / GUIs to support touch screen fully We need more than just to be able to move the mouse cursor. Initially it would be ok if we have some clever mouse emulation using the touch screen, but things like multitouch support etc. should be developed later.

There where often discussions about touch-screen support.

Some people believe a proper mouse and keyboard emulation would be enough.

Others pointed out that the whole GUI of the Amiga would need some heavy changes and most application would have to be ported changed for a popper support of such a new Touchscreen GUI.

System programming teams like Hyperion, MorphOS-Team or the AROS devs never announced support for pure touch-screens devices and most of this OSes are currently bound to old style desktop hardware.

So you could answere these question yourselv:

There is no propper support for a touch-screen GUI on some of the AmigaNG OSes.

There are no public announcements for a touch-screen GUIson some of the AmigaNG OSes.

There are only some workaround emulating a mouse or a keyboard, even on AROS hosted you might prefere a USB/Bluetooth mouse and keyboard if you want to do more than just use a browser.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

I don't know if there's any correlation in development point of view with touch pads and touch screens, but MorphOS already supports touch pads in some degree. You can do multifinger gestures etc with it already... for example two finger scrolling is handy on Powerbooks.

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@Arko

Well, if you have mouse/keyboard emulation, then you don't really need to rewrite the GUI. Modern touchscreens (at least sizes 8 inch and up) have enough resolution to be able to run workbench and other things without much trickery.

The issue is more that this will not feel like the GUIs of modern touchscreen devices. So it'll be a 1990s touchscreen, not a 2013-touchscreen. If you get my point. My wife has an Acer Aspire which uses Windows 7 and the touchscreen support there ain't exactly great. Basically just mouse and keyboard emulation. Worked just fine (until I closed the lid with a USB cable ferrite core between keyboard and screen. Touchscreen cracked, LCD screen still works).

So if some people can live with that then those people can have touchscreen support now. People who cannot live with it should probably use Android, IOS or Windows8 instead.

Yeah, I said it.

To summarize: If Win7 + touchscreen works for you, AOS on a touchscreen should probably work as well. If not, then not.

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@jPV

Nice.

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@KimmoK

A proof of concept using a SAM, a touchscreen monitor and a battery like discussed in the laptop thread could be mocked up. Would end up about 2 inch thick, but that's just like holding a thick book instead of a thin notepad. Something most of us have done frequently over the years.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

@Arko

"Some people believe a proper mouse and keyboard emulation would be enough."

That is then "targetting only to Amigalike fan(atics)".


I think I got the picture of the situation. One needs to have Amigalike tablet demo to show to gauge possible interest before going any further.

(the device I have in mind would be cheaper than A1x1000, low end desktop performance, x86/x64, etc...)


After some Amiga flavour would be running on the device, it would be mandatory to implement power saving and that is challenging.
(I believe some work is being done with that all the time, but tablet device needs to do power saving with all onboard components .... unless "BETATESTER" -named HW is being sold to customers)

Last edited by KimmoK on 12-Dec-2013 at 10:22 AM.

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@KimmoK

MorphOS uses powersaving on PowerBooks. It's already implemented and works well.

Regarding touchscreen support it's about adding new intuition events or bind old one (like morphos did in touchpad support). It's not a rocket science.

@KimmoK

We know how to do a touchscreen driver and what we should change in OS4. Now we need a market as it's not a job that can be done for free.
So if you plan to purchase 1000 drivers + 1000 OS4, then we can do it

Last edited by elwood on 12-Dec-2013 at 10:40 AM.

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Anyone remember these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bghlbjmzzqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PJN9tEb2Ng

OS4 on eLap, with a stylus it could work. I do like how Samsung Galaxy Note works with its pop up menu and system on the Note 3, I could see something like that working on a desktop device to make it usable for touch with out the need for a huge GUI change.

Last edited by amigang on 12-Dec-2013 at 10:58 AM.

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There is really easy way to test how the UI works without changes on touch interface.

1. Install VNC.
2. Install VNC on tablet.
3. Try to use UI with tablet.
4. ?
5. Profit.

@elwood

"So if you plan to purchase 1000 drivers + 1000 OS4, then we can do it "

So.... some EUR100 000 for AOS ...
I rather study the HW deal possibility (this will need the mentioned 5 months), then find out SW needs (using AROS as an example), then approach MOS & AOS4 teams.

(I should/must familiarise myself with existing linux and Android HAL for the device, then AROS porting and most likely some of the drivers need to be done inhouse by HW developer ... need to make good friends and prepare some coding parties with those guys.... )

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@Rose

Quote:

Rose wrote: There is really easy way to test how the UI works without changes on touch interface.

Or watch a test on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQe8Of0qOE

The Amiga GUI is not optimised for Touchpads.

- buttons are to small
- pull down menus
- touchscreen are like a one button mose where you can't move the curser when the button is not pressed.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

@Arko

Quote:

The Amiga GUI is not optimised for Touchpads.

I know. That was aimed for people who say that it just needs mouse emulation.