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Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 21-Apr-2014 16:53:47
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 21-Apr-2014 19:25:46
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A very nice demo, although I still prefer some of their older ones. _________________ Test sig (new) |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 21-Apr-2014 23:08:32
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It rocked! as good as the earlier demos IMO and had some very nice TBL visuals and audio. Each demo they make is a treat to watch. |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 21-Apr-2014 23:49:13
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 1:06:39
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Nice demo, but soo lowres, it look better if it was RTG and it will run faster too. |
Of course it would, but what fun would that be?? The point of these demos is to push this ancient hardware to the limit like the aga chipset. This is mainly why you dont see much ppc demos these days as well.. It is really impressive graphics for the standard AGA chipset and still amazes me how scene still can push more out of it after all these years. |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 1:18:53
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The point of these demos is to push this ancient hardware to the limit like the aga chipset. This is mainly why you dont see much ppc demos these days as well.. It is really impressive graphics for the standard AGA chipset and still amazes me how scene still can push more out of it after all these years. |
Yep that's right
Love the new TBL demo, glad to see them back in the 68k AGA scene Last edited by NovaCoder on 22-Apr-2014 at 01:19 AM.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 9:32:28
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| Just rewatched the demos at home (started this topic via iphone), and Im having a hard time deciding which one I like the most, TBL or Elude. Both are very polished, and the music are really nicely tuned to the mood.
There are quite alot of good music on the Amiga, but often i found the music to be out of "tune". The sampling quality of the instrument often ruined a good tune. Elude and TBL have both pretty much nailed the music part in every demo they have released.
Great stuff, and I hope to see much more from both groups!
Revision 2014 videos;
https://www.youtube.com/user/RevisionParty/videos
Live coding finale, very impressive/intresting to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYlMjIVm1F4 Last edited by Overflow on 22-Apr-2014 at 10:43 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 22-Apr-2014 at 10:30 AM. Last edited by Overflow on 22-Apr-2014 at 09:50 AM.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 11:49:44
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I stuck the TBL one one my A1200 earlier, it does run very nicely. Hopefully they'll release a 'fixed' version that will be a bit more polished later on.
I'll have to try the Elude one too :)
If you're after some great sounding audio you should try
Shake off the Dust
Sounds amazing on the real thing :) |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 12:04:42
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Aye, "shake off the dust" has been on my playlist for a long time :) |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 12:16:31
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This is totally insane, WOW.. The Black Lotus is back .. my favorite demo group! I remember when I attended at TG97, and it was my first visit on a demo party competition. the best moment in my demo scene history.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 12:33:57
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Of course it would, but what fun would that be?? The point of these demos is to push this ancient hardware to the limit like the aga chipset. This is mainly why you dont see much ppc demos these days as well.. It is really impressive graphics for the standard AGA chipset and still amazes me how scene still can push more out of it after all these years. |
Back in 1996 whit TBL Tint.
TBL demos used require cutting edge hardware only few people owned a MC68060 / AGA, they might done demos on MC68000 7Mhz / OCS but they did not, they went whit the most powerful MC68060 CPU at the time. Now they stopped moving forward stuck on AGA and MC68060.
I think back then it was showcasing what Amiga where able to do, now its not about that it seams to me.Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 22-Apr-2014 at 12:37 PM. Last edited by NutsAboutAmiga on 22-Apr-2014 at 12:35 PM.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 12:58:06
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 13:50:40
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| @Amazing AGA demo by TBL!
WOW!
I imagine gfx are made possible 99% by 68060/50Mhz CPU, but I wonder if there is any real advantage of having AGA chipset vs some standard vesa GFX output? Does the demo use AGA for anything else than audio and as frame buffer?
(I believe paula helps to make that amount of GFX processing possible with CPU, without sacrifing audio, but other than that...?)
btw. I would not mind those guys doing screensavers for Amigas .... I could sacrifice 50Mhz of my idling SAM440 for some nice effects.... And even better.... it would be nice to have thiose effect also as bacdrop of workbench... Last edited by KimmoK on 22-Apr-2014 at 01:54 PM.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 14:09:47
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 22-Apr-2014 14:29:53
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I imagine gfx are made possible 99% by 68060/50Mhz CPU, but I wonder if there is any real advantage of having AGA chipset vs some standard vesa GFX output? |
The only thing I can think of is split screen and copper, if your determined to stick to 8 bit. And then there is hardware spites, but doute there is any demos using that.
Simple dual playfild effects can be dune by OR'ing two or tree picture on top of etch other, and adjust the palette, pictures on top will have colors Left shifted.
What advantages has graphic cards over AGA, well many fast GPU, GL, Composition, no need for any P2C routine. 32bit / 16bit.
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the frame buffer I guess is in fast mem, as chip mem is slow, at least when you plot pixels its a huge advantage to have fast memory, you will need to do the same kind of thing on RTG graphic cards, not because graphic mem is slow, but because the PCI bus is a bottle neck, DMA transferred is huge advantage if/when its available.
Some one I talked whit talked about some way you can get Amiga hardware to move memory from fast to chip whit out using the CPU. I guess that's what they are doing.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 23-Apr-2014 2:05:40
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Thanks for posting this up Overflow... fantastic experience. It is great to see TBL back. No doubt one of my favourite demo groups.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 23-Apr-2014 5:00:38
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Of course it would, but what fun would that be?? The point of these demos is to push this ancient hardware to the limit like the aga chipset. This is mainly why you dont see much ppc demos these days as well.. It is really impressive graphics for the standard AGA chipset and still amazes me how scene still can push more out of it after all these years. |
Back in 1996 whit TBL Tint.
TBL demos used require cutting edge hardware only few people owned a MC68060 / AGA, they might done demos on MC68000 7Mhz / OCS but they did not, they went whit the most powerful MC68060 CPU at the time. Now they stopped moving forward stuck on AGA and MC68060.
I think back then it was showcasing what Amiga where able to do, now its not about that it seams to me. |
What would be left if they went ppc and RTG?? Then might as well just stick with the latest pc hardware since the amiga is basically idle then. Again these demos basically show what the gfx chipset as well as the 68k architecture is capable of as well as give the coders a real challenge. |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 23-Apr-2014 5:17:16
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Some one I talked whit talked about some way you can get Amiga hardware to move memory from fast to chip whit out using the CPU. I guess that's what they are doing.
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Nope, stuff needs to be moved from fastmem to chipmem with the cpu. But the chunky2planar is pretty much for free, considering the slow speed of the chipmem. |
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 23-Apr-2014 8:37:21
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Again these demos basically show what the gfx chipset as well as the 68k architecture is capable of as well as give the coders a real challenge |
Some people claim there's no challenge to do a demo on OS4 because of modern hardware. But I think a demo using the compositing engine could be a real challenger to PC demos with their 3D all over the place! I do hope some demo makers will show PC demomakers what OS4 can do.Last edited by elwood on 23-Apr-2014 at 08:37 AM.
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Re: Rift by TBL and Serenity by Elude Posted on 23-Apr-2014 8:44:39
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I do hope some demo makers will show PC demomakers what OS4 can do. |
Show PC demomakers that OS4 can't do anything as good as a modern PC?
Just face it, the PC's have better CPU's and GPU's, so they will run circles around anything OS4-related. |
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