@Trixie

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Well if RJ's Google predictions are as 'visionary' as his Intuition

What do you think is wrong with it? It was written in C which made it portable as well as slow. It was expanded with OOP concepts. And today thnaks to ReAction we aren't encouraged to use it directly anymore it seems.

There's nothing wrong with Intuition. IIRC it was mostly written by Carl Sassenrath anyway rather than RJ Mical.

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@m0lebrain

True, but we don't have to accept it when he's spouting his Google BS!

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What do you think is wrong with it?

Brainless short-sighted unexpandable design that had to be worked around very hard to take its functionality a bit further. This has resulted in a messy and illogical GUI programming API that is difficult to grasp.

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IIRC it was mostly written by Carl Sassenrath anyway rather than RJ Mical.

You are wrong on this. The main developer behind Intuition was RJ.

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Sassenrath is a liar then, as he is claiming on his site to have written the entire AmigaOS.

http://www.sassenrath.com/

I don't find Intuition programming to be any harder than eg. Windows GUI programming.

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You should be very careful who you call a liar on a public forum, it *is* legally libellous to do so.

He's not claiming to a have written every component, he claiming to have written the multitasking bit, (exec) I suppose the logic might be that OS is the kernel and intuition is the GUI running on top of it.

Still it's two line headline of a 10 line career summary.

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I don't find Intuition programming to be any harder than eg. Windows GUI programming.

I've little experience with windows or linux coding except in so far as reading source when porting stuff, it doesn't look any less complex to code for X than intuition.

I don;t intuition difficult.

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>"The creator of: Amiga OS - Multitasking operating system"

It's designed to gives the misleading impression that he's responsible for the entire thing.

@R J MIcal ... he speaks for google. Enough said.

But I find it interesting that ChomiumOS laptops/notebooks are sold in local shops.

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I don't find Intuition programming to be any harder than eg. Windows GUI programming.

I'm not talking about how hard or easy I find Intuition programming. I'm talking about how the original Intuition (which still underlies the functionality of higher-level components, like Gadtools and BOOPSI) was designed. And with its clumsy, dead-end, datastructure-oriented approach it was hardly a good and future-proof design. All the subsequent developments - Gadtools and BOOPSI - had to work hard to compensate for the inherent limitations of Intuiton 1.x. In this respect, RJ Mical proved about as visionary as Bill Gates with his famous 640KB claim

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@Trixie

Well at the time the Workbench ran at 640x256 (or 200) and you couldn't change that until KS2.0. So that rigidness it in the orignal design. But, taglists made it more dynamic. And the Intuition user structures were very dynamic like gadgets, menus and images where you could specify an x,y offset. Apart from being tied to the chipset.

The only main problem I recall and this goes for GadTools as well is that it didn't include a layout engine. GadTools really should have had one. It did for menus at the cost of simplfying them but it didn't make sense it didn't do it for gadgets as well. Instead all it did was serve to create some buttons and other graphical gadgets for you which you then had to add in the old way.

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@Hypex

Nothing wrong with a good ramble. Im pretty well versed in the art myself :)
Gotta say though Im pretty surprised about what they broadcast in your area. Having lived in Watsonia a good chunk of my life Id have expected things to be better around that way than here in ballarat, which is becoming more and more junkie-hickville-backwardtown day by day.

@fishy_fis

Ah, Watsonia to Greensborough, the Shelbyville to my Springfield.

Almost sounds like they are trying to turn your area into a Beverly Hillbillies 90210.

@Trixie

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I'm not talking about how hard or easy I find Intuition programming. I'm talking about how the original Intuition (which still underlies the functionality of higher-level components, like Gadtools and BOOPSI) was designed. And with its clumsy, dead-end, datastructure-oriented approach it was hardly a good and future-proof design. All the subsequent developments - Gadtools and BOOPSI - had to work hard to compensate for the inherent limitations of Intuiton 1.x. In this respect, RJ Mical proved about as visionary as Bill Gates with his famous 640KB claim

I agree except for the last one. Intuition is clumsy but RJ Mical has admitted it was not maybe his best design.

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Maybe it was not best design, but considering we are using it today,
Even MS Windows has some bad legacy this horrible GDI resources, at least win95/98 there was big problem.

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You know I have to agree with mostly what RJ said, he did say with a pinch of salt console will alway be there but gone are the day that it really is the bleeding edge of tech and can have a shelf life of 7 plus years, which is true, just look at ps4 and xbox games they are already struggling to do true 1080p gaming and where only at the start of there generation. Plus also Rj right in saying most phone now have the power of a ps2 in there pocket, just have to look at the fact you can get game like Grand Theft Auto 3 for your phone and next few year they wil be up to ps3 level, just look at the PS vita and it's uncharted game that looks very close to its ps3 counter part. The evolution of phone tech is where the real money in the tech industry has been going in the last few years it's why advances in the pc world have slowed.

The big problem I see for the market is getting the industry and consumers in the mind set that a £30 or $60 triple AAA game could be made just for android and be a success as much as it's console counterparts, the market has kind of been created where everyone expects a mobile game to cost no more than 69p or be free to play and so the industry is having to find other ways to make its money, like micro transactions, advertising, and data mining your details which no one really likes specially the older generation where we are just more use to paying up front costs for the game and nothing else. That where i feel the industry needs to work on and what rj and google are a little wrong in thinking the problem is just where not integrating the adverts good enough.

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Some good/interesting points, but physical copies of games can command a price premium vs downloadable content. No matter how you cut it AAA titles arent cheap to produce, and that requires games to be a little expensive. The cheaper digitally distributed games just dont have the same sorts of production qualities as an AAA console/pc title. Digital distribution of said titles can take a price cut, but ultimately without games being able to generate significant revenue we'll end up with fewer AAA titles, as is already the case.
As I said earlier this type of gaming will merely suppliment what already exists.

Ironically I think the fact that consoles are using similar hardware to pcs will prolong them. As amd is constantly developing the hardware that drives them, and Intels apu like designs are improving at a rate that could put them on par in the near future console developing becomes cheaper and has the potential to progress more rapidly. With the infrastrucure already in place and maturing a hypothetical ps5 or xbox4 could be released in a few years (and be a bigger jump vs previous generation).

Only time will tell I guess :)

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