@BigD

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The PA-6T was a good choice but made end-of line by Apple

Writing it like that suggests that the CPU was EOL'ed after the choice was made. Rather, Apple bought PA Semi 21 months before the X1000 was announced, and always were quite open about having absolutely zero interest in their products, including in continuing production of any existing products.

@NutsAboutAmiga

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Ask not what AmigaOS can do for you, but what you can do for AmigaOS.

As long as people with that mindset are running around, nothing will ever change for the better.

There's no pressure to improve things if people are going to buy your 3000 Euro computer running a five year old, mostly unmaintained OS anyway. Why improve your communication if people are eager to lap up whatever bullshit you're going to throw at them this year and actually make up excuses for you if you don't tell them anything for two years?

AmigaOS is a commercial product. The one thing that could save it is if everybody actually treated it like that.

@cgutjahr

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As long as people with that mindset are running around, nothing will ever change for the better.

Glad I don´t have your mindset.

I'm looking forward to trying out ARIX and how it will grow.

There's also the case of MorphOS changing ISA sometimes in the next 2-3 years.

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@realize

We don't know what's holding up 4.2. They should release it with whatever is done and save the stuff that would only benefit X1000 owners, like mulicore support, for an update. Releasing it would really reinvigorate the Amiga community and show that progress is being made. People love updates. Release 4.2 now and the more time-consuming stuff as updates later.

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Lightwave 2019 / Microsoft Visual C++

@thinkchip

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We don't know what's holding up 4.2.

I bet it is Gallium3D. 4.2 without it is pointless.

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People love updates.

I thought that is purpose of AmiUpdate.

@thinkchip

Key feature is OpenGl.
If I take my Sam440ep-flex's usable performance as a guide under Linux ,Debian Jessie Testing,
With Software rasterizer rendering under Mesa 10.2.3 , Things could be very interesting under
AmigaOS 4.2 with Radeon HD hardware acceleration.



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thinkchip wrote: @realize We don't know what's holding up 4.2. They should release it with whatever is done and save the stuff that would only benefit X1000 owners, like mulicore support, for an update. Releasing it would really reinvigorate the Amiga community and show that progress is being made. People love updates. Release 4.2 now and the more time-consuming stuff as updates later.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Ask not what AmigaOS can do for you, but what you can do for AmigaOS.

Yea, because buying an outdated, useless pile of crap just is not enough commitment. Jeez, you guys on here sure are morons.

@Krischan76

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because buying an outdated, useless pile of crap just is not enough commitment. Jeez, you guys on here sure are morons.

No one forces you to buy it.

We are going to get 4.2
yeah 4.2
So we dont need
to worry about you.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

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Ask not what AmigaOS can do for you, but what you can do for AmigaOS.

Nope. Sorry, although that's *exactly* what I've been always saying about AROS, there is a little difference between AmigaOS and the latter: AmigaOS is a full-fledged commercial product, written and sold by a business company which surely has a business plan, hired professionals and so on. We *pay* to use AmigaOS, so the right question *is* "what can this paid product can do for me", and *not* "what I can do for this product I PAID for".

@paolone

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"what can this paid product can do for me"

How much did you pay?

@pavlor

You may guess you've hit a good point, however I would like to remind you I am happy owner of a SAM 440EP with its legitimate copy of the OS. But that is, and was, completely ininfluent to my objection.

@pavlor

replace "me" with " the customer"

@OlafS25

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replace "me" with " the customer"

I see, you are another happy customer.

@paolone

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I would like to remind you I am happy owner of a SAM 440EP with its legitimate copy of the OS

Sorry then.


However, best way to improve your (and others) experience on any platform is to do something yourself - if you are able enough. No computer is useable without software.

@pavlor

And you are? A customer?

@OlafS25

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And you are? A customer?

Do you see me whining here?

Only Amiga systems I use are my A1200 and WinUAE/IcarosDesktop/AROSVision on PC of my brother.

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As long as people with that mindset are running around, nothing will ever change for the better.

The thing is; most(?) buyers of Amiga classic and NG hardware should know about both the current level of development and the PACE of future development.
Considering the quite low number of active developers, vendors and users, every single person that actually decide to contribute will actually make some impact. Minor or massive. Ofcourse its all relative.

Personally I dont see myself ever code anything, but as a enduser I do buy hardware (atm Classic) and software. Those of you that are able to code (like Kas1e, Broadblues, NutsAboutAmiga etc etc), make blogs like Epsilon, youtubes like Kookytech etc are all adding to what the Amiga platforms needs.

I think everyone with eyes on NG Amiga platforms wishes it was already at the current Wintel/Linux/Apple level of development pace. But if that was your scale as you bought NG Amiga hardware, I have a hard time having sympathy for you.

I have "wasted" 100s of euros on Classic hardware. Insanity for some, but I have fun with it, and thats a good measure for value as any.

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@pavlor

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Do you see me whining here?

Actually - yes, a lot. And to add insult to injury, you're stopping paying customers from discussing the product they paid for. No thanks for that.

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Only Amiga systems I use...

Maybe you should list the reasons you didn't pay for OS4 yet, since we're discussing it's "future, or lack of" in this thread.

Wouldn't that be more - I don't know... sane?