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Agreed AmigaKit give excellent service in my experience, and these indirect accusiations are coming very close to slander (erm or is that libel).

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There is a big difference between saying that they support something and saying it's an appearance that is being portrayed. But you already know that don't you?

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@terminills

You may want to read your previous post more cafefully, as if you are making that subtle distinction, you may have made a typo, now I'm not one critize typos, how could I? I make so many myself , but they can portray the wrong meaning sometimes.

"not only appear to condone they support" is the section I'm refering to.

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Just to be clear I reworded it.

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Matthew Leaman is one of the most honest people I know and certainly does not condone any kind of piracy, which incidentally, neither do I, but I think you know that as well.

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I most certainly do know that however Trevor I was pointing out how it could be seen. It's not the current users you need to worry about what image you portray it's possible future ones.

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@TrevorDick

So you are OK with Kjmann being your spokesperson? (Yes, that what's moderator on companys website is)

@Rose

Moderators are not a spokesperson for anyone. They are part of the forum community which has agreed to be governed by a set of of posting rules & guideline which everyone has to agree to when joining the forum. Although A-EON currently holds the stewardship of Amiga.org and AmigaWorld.net they are both Amiga community forums and need to be run by the community and for the community which they serve.

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Got it... KJmann's actions are in line of values of A-Eon.

@Rose

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Got it... KJmann's actions are in line of values of A-Eon.

To quote Monty Python

"Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?"

TrevorD

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@TrevorDick

Not argument, just simple question.

@Rose

It was not a question but a statement, but of course you knew that.

I have already answered the real question. Moderators should act on behalf of the community which they serve, and are not and should not be company spokesmen.

TrevorD

edit: typo

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@Rose

Moderating a website is a thankless job, especially when you have nutballs who are only too happy to rile others, wind them up, or simply troll.

The job of a moderator should be to ensure that people who use the site are sticking to the terms and conditions of the site.

A moderator is not there to win popularity contests, they are there to keep the site pleasant, friendly and fun for everyone else. (Moderators should not be picked by public vote, they should be picked by the site owner/team with the one principle being who is going to help us keep the site on track/sort out this mess)

Unfortunately, when you have no clear guidance from above, or the other moderators don't do their jobs properly, the site soon decends into anarchy.

IMO both AW & A.org have become pretty much ungovernable. this is because the membership have very wide diametrically opposed views.
This has lead to a "Wild West" scenario where the users have been left to it and in some cases the moderators are too afraid to moderate in case they get the grief that the unfortunate kjmann has had.

The choice for AW.net or A.org at this point is let the existing status quo continue or get someone to come in and clean up the mess.

Posting on a community site is a Privilage. Not a right, when you don't make that clear, people think its a free for all and cry foul when they get moderated by someone.


Just my two pennies worth.

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@TrevorDick

I think what Rose is trying to get across that you have to choices from here:

- acknowledge responsibilty for the sites you own and either kick out unfit moderators or be associated with their "crimes"

- give control over the actual running to the community (not sure how that would work)



@MikeyC

Yeah, more forums with groupthink that is what we need ....



Either that or just some people actually honestly particpating in a discussion instead of being whiny #######

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give control over the actual running to the community (not sure how that would work)

Yes, let community decide! However, I fear that would lead only to some sort of purification ritual.

Like any ruling party in a community, if the ruling party doesn't have the respect and support of the community the ruler should be removed. A simple poll would settle it.

If this can't/won't happen the community is run by a dictator.

It seems to me the bulk of the poeple around here want KJMann gone, so he should go.

Edit: added "and support"

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This thread is vile.
Why the hell has the thread title not been changed?

The spurious allegations that lead to the name are paper thin and are made by the usual idiot members who still seem to live in the 90s. Those little pricks need to grow up and shut up, even better if they were actually moderated.

Ironic thing is, they wont be but this post will LOL.

@Aslak3

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It seems to me the bulk of the poeple around here want KJMann gone, so he should go.

Really? What about other poll - ban all "trolls"? Majority rule can become mockery of democracy.

@Aslak3

I neither support or dislike kjmann. The link showed some unhappy customers, but since im not part of that community, dont know kjmann or those posters. Ill give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was sick for a good period of time. Maybe he wasnt. Hard to judge.
He went to far with itix, apologized (what thats worth depends on the reader) and after the fact itix and amigakit sorted it out.

I have more faith in a certain level of moderating than none. For those that want complete freedom there are moobunny and reddit. I see moobunnies is having their fun already.
As it is now its more a pitchfork sentiment than anything.

You say there is majority to have kjmann removed. Im not sure about that, plus moderation have never been a popularity contest.
Personally I dont care if kjmann stays or goes, but Im more inclined to defer to Matthews and Trevors judgement. If down the line it turns out to be a bad call, Im sure they will take action and make a comment about it.

The issue about itix got sorted.

Then users called a response from site ower regarding the issue, they got one.

At this point it seems the thread is being bumped up cause it entertains keeping that title at top.
Seems to me the moderators have become gunshy and dont want to lock it out of fear of the backlash.

If I ever saw a thread that has run its course, this is it.
Lock it and be done with it.

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