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Re: Audio converting software for OS4 (or 68k)
Posted on 31-Oct-2014 13:41:50
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Have to agree, GUIs are best :)

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I think it is sad that we even have to discus something about not having a gui.....

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Dont really see the problem per see.
Options where given, userfriendly or not.

The the problem of the amiga platforms not being able to finance developers.
Hopefully the shops will motivate enhancements.

I think Trevor said it best on Amiwest;
Content content, and nothing but cold hard cash will help the situation

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Re: Audio converting software for OS4 (or 68k)
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Lame Aint an Mp3 Encoder actualy

But aside from the jokey name you are right ffmpeg should have liblame built in so shouldn't require lame unless the version installed on metalhearts systrem somehow is an odd build without liblame.

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I'll look into it this weekend.
Should it be able to load WMA's ?

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Re: Audio converting software for OS4 (or 68k)
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ps, I'm struggling to get WMA coverted on windows too. None of the converter software I tried, did load the WMA file, even when they said they would, the same goes for Audio editors. Strange eh ? Perhaps I'm missing something.


If a windows program wont load a wma file this begs the question as to whether it really is a WMA file? It's quite easy to misname a file.

Anyway here is an example sloution using mplayer and lame, it assumes both are on your system and have been run at least once.

At the shell type:
> cd ram:
> APPDIR:Mplayer ram:sample.wma -ao pcm:waveheader:file=temp.wav
> APPDIR:lame temp.wav

result is file ram:temp.wav.mp3


I tried the ffmpegGUI aproach and works perfectly except for the spurious warning about an possible error, which it explains in the requestyer is down to a know bug in libmp3lame, is this what you saw? The error explains how it can be safelt ignored.

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I know what you mean. The other day I wanted to load in an AIFF into a sample editor and cut off the silence from the start. And I really mean, silence, digital zeros. But, I could find nothing to do sometihng so simple, not on my HD. And yet, I'm sure we did that that kind of stuff in the 8-bit audio days!


You really didn't try very hard then! You could have done that with

1. SoundFX (often refered to a SFX)
2. HDRec
3. AUdioEvolutions builtin sample editor.

All three give you a visual GUI where you can select the areas for removal, I would have chosen SFX for that job myself.


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I even tried Audacity on the PC and couldn't do it either. I was shocked! All it had were these scientfic algorithms to detect silence between two levels. "I don't want this BS! I just want to trim dead sound from the sample. Are you stupid and don't know what a zero is!?"


I don't have very high opinion of Audacity but I find it hard to belive you couldn't achieve you relative simple goal in that program.

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The same happens for gfx programs. I'm sure the Amiga had many but when I want to do something like load in a JPEG, crop it ans save out as sometihng else, they all seem to be crap. I don't know how we put up with this years ago!


Oh come on! We've a list gfx apps as long as your arm that will do that.

SketchBlock (overkill)
ImageFX (slightly lower overkill)
PPaint (If you don't mind 8bit output)
Photogenics
TVpaint
...
...
...
GIMP under AmiCygnix if your desperate



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@broadblues

Maybe he didn't yet listen to your Amiwest speech.

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Posted on 31-Oct-2014 22:59:48
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@Metalheart

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dont like to use the CLI, this not 1985 anymore, I want i nice and easy to use GUI So SOX are of
I surely prefer graphical interfaces myself whenever possible and practical.

The thing is, with SoX there are so many options - have you read the manual? Really impressive - that a GUI to cover them all would be just ridiculously complicated. And if you started to leave out options, you could be sure those were the first ones people woud complain about not being able to live without.

So what I do in cases like this - NetPBM is a similar example for graphics - is create simple(ish) ARexx scripts to perform the tasks I need most. The command liines to the CLI programs are constructed inside the ARexx scripts, complete with options and in/out files etc., and then executed. I can attach such scripts to buttons in DOpus (I use 4, but I imagine it works the same in DOpus 5). And hey presto - I've got a simple GUI performing what I need, at the click of a button, on a file shown in a lister.

Edit: BTW, one of the really cool things about this approach is you can "batch" process a bunch of files just by marking them all in DOpus and clicking your button - given the correct settings on the button, of course.

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@nbache

I also noticed you provided some GUI code examples in the ProAction archive too?

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Maybe he didn't yet listen to your Amiwest speech.


Hehe, no clearly not

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>about the Dopus part.....

That is actually not a bad idea. I'll try to setup sox like that.

edit, ok tried SOX from CLI. It says "no handler for file extension WMA"

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At the shell type:
> cd ram:
> APPDIR:Mplayer ram:sample.wma -ao pcm:waveheader:file=temp.wav
> APPDIR:lame temp.wav


Well, that actualy worked, and pretty nice too
Now I've to put it in a nice Dopus script.....

Thanks

Martin

edit: I'm having trouble tp get DOpus to automaticly create the same filename as the source wma file
I setup this under a button:

APPDIR:Mplayer {f} -ao pcm:waveheader:file=test.wav (this works fine, but I need the output filename to be the same as the input with a .wav at the end. It doesnt matter if the .wma is still in the name)

APPDIR:Mplayer {f} -ao pcm:waveheader:file={f}.wav (This looked logical, but doesnt work...)

Perhaps it would be better to use an arex script ?

Thanks

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@Metalheart

Or check out Andy's other thread on making GUI with ProAction.

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I tried digibooster, hd-rec, protrekkkr, sfx, amigaamp3, codeaudio, tunenet.
None of them can play/convert wma. I see there is an tunewma_plug.lha on os4
depot that you can play wma files with tunenet. Just downloaded and works.

http://os4depot.net/share/audio/play/tunenet/tunewma_plug.lha

ffmpeggui works to convert with :) It uses ffmpeg tool and i think mencoder for some stuff. Just download them and try out the gui. In the gui just "disble video". Choose settings if you want to change anything like bitrate etc. Dont forget to load the file and use a save file name. Just see the gui.

http://os4depot.net/share/video/convert/ffmpeggui.lha
http://os4depot.net/share/video/convert/ffmpeg.lha
http://os4depot.net/share/video/edit/mencoder.lha

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@Metalheart

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I think it is sad that we even have to discus something about not having a gui.....


It's funny to look back on all the programs I wrote, sitting unrelased on my HD, and most are CLI commands. Other are commodities so kind of a cheat as I let the OS do the GUI for me.

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The thing is, with SoX there are so many options - have you read the manual? Really impressive

SoX indeed is a power-horse. And we could also get a lot of fun if somebody ported libsox. Then the fx and converter features of SoX could get incorporated in an already existing editor, say, AmiSoundEd.

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You really didn't try very hard then!


I tried what I had on my HD. That includes:
AmiSoundEd.
SampleE.
SampleZ.
AudioEvolution.

I prefer native apps.

Quote:
You could have done that with


SFX: Hard to find, no OS4 version. Error when installing and error when loading. Not good to me.

HD-Rec: Had a look but can see no sample editor. Also looks like it needs project to work on.

AudioEvolution: Same project problem as HD-Rec. Hard to find editor but no option to detect silence. No menus at all here.

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All three give you a visual GUI where you can select the areas for removal


I don't want to do that, I want it to detect it for me and cut it out. Plus I want it to be exact and at a sample position not a pixel position.

Quote:
I don't have very high opinion of Audacity but I find it hard to belive you couldn't achieve you relative simple goal in that program.


It's useful for loading in files straight away and splitting up tracks. And decoding "surround sound" by doing Lt-Rt. I had a look through it's menus but could see nothing with a simple sound finder and trimmer. I was thinking a zero seek at first but I need the opposite.

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Oh come on! We've a list gfx apps as long as your arm that will do that.


Here I have ImageSudio. Seems to work. ImageFX, IIRC last time I used it, just crashed. I prefer native but I also had trouble on my A1200 doing stuff.

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@Hypex

Quote:

Quote:


Quote:
You really didn't try very hard then!


I tried what I had on my HD. That includes:


Well if your not prepared to install software for a job then you are beyond help

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AmiSoundEd.
SampleE.
SampleZ.
AudioEvolution.


A reasonable selection not used the first 3.

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I prefer native apps.


So do I, but no point being stubborn about it if there is a working tool. I'd draw the line at having to run E-UAE I think but more than happy to use petunia based 68k.


Quote:

Quote:

Quote:
You could have done that with


SFX: Hard to find, no OS4 version. Error when installing and error when loading. Not good to me.


Just follow the link from one of the related tools on os4 depot and arive :
http://sonicpulse.de/eng/p_sfx.html

Can't remeber how the install went, so long ago that I installed and registered it, but I use both the 68020 and 68020FPU versions without issue (except the mp3 loader only works once).

Let me know what the error is and I'll see if I can be of assistance, could be missing library, font or something.

Procdure with this application.

Load Sample.
Choose Shorten Tool
Set start and finish % to something sensible (default is 2%)
Apply the tool
Examine result to see if it did what you wanted.
Export to new file.

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HD-Rec: Had a look but can see no sample editor. Also looks like it needs project to work on.


Start application.
NO need to load a project.
Choose Elements Menu
Import sample
Double Click on sample to bring up powerful editor.
Zoom in
Select Area at start of Sample that you want removed
Choose Cut from Buttons at top of editor.
Repeat for End
Choose Export from Elements Menu
Select Export Format and save to nwe file.


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AudioEvolution: Same project problem as HD-Rec. Hard to find editor but no option to detect silence. No menus at all here.


Start App
Create Temporary Project ( I have a scratch project called 'test' for stuff like this).
Import Sample. (AIFF or WAV only WAV will be converted to AIFF)
Menu->Windows->SampleList
RightClick Sample in SampleList Window to bring up menu
Choose Edit
In the relatively cude editor window zoom in with magnify buttons and select area at start you want to remove and cut
Repeat for end.
Sample is edited inplace I think, not sure as I don't have sample to hand that I want messed up

THis is the least pleasant Sample Editor to use, it for emrgency action only, somewhat like the texture painting tool in blender

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Quote:


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All three give you a visual GUI where you can select the areas for removal


I don't want to do that, I want it to detect it for me and cut it out. Plus I want it to be exact and at a sample position not a pixel position.


I would truct my eyes far more than some algorithm unless you want to a batch process on a lot of samples, one issue being that zeros at the start of a sample is not a real world phenomina, (unless the sample was computer generated) as there is always some noise even on the best of sound cards. Even if the sound card adds no noise, the recording environmentment will. Thus visually inspecting the amount of noise and cutting acordingly is by far the safest option.

In terms of pixel verses sample accuracy, all the above can zoom in to sub sample level.

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I was thinking a zero seek at first but I need the opposite.


Zero seek is for ensuring no click when cutting between samples, so no, not want you wanted.

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Quote:

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Oh come on! We've a list gfx apps as long as your arm that will do that.


Here I have ImageSudio. Seems to work.



I don't know Image Studio, but the name suggestsit would do what you want.

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ImageFX, IIRC last time I used it, just crashed.


Hmm, no crash here, except for some of the more exotic fliters, if you see crash on startup, then make sure you are not using the debug kernel as there is an access to a removed node trap in there.
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I prefer native but I also had trouble on my A1200 doing stuff.


Sound wise Samplitude

I used ImageFX 1.5 which I got on a magazine cover on my A1200, unless you image was big, that would do the job easy enough.

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ok, so I got ffmpeg with ffmpeggui to convert WMA files. So thats nice

It would even be better to be able to do a bunch of conversions in one go (batch)

I'll look into scripting ffmpeg, in combination with Dopus maybe.....

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