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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 17-Dec-2014 19:03:51
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Come on, OS3.5 and 3.9 were proper good weren't they? |
I liked them, bought them both (boxed software rules!), but with the benefit of hindsight - Haage and Partner just collected a bunch of third-party stuff (Glow Icons, ClassAct - renamed ReAction and barely improved, etc.): they took the easy way. It wasn't until Hyperion came that the OS got some real development and update. OS 4.1 is miles ahead of whatever Haage and Partner were able to produce.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 17-Dec-2014 19:22:16
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broadblues wrote: @OlafS25
Yes, but not if it already exists, and earlier installers did add to user startup.
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Any good reason not to use PROGDIR: instead of relying on a specific assign? Check version of resident libs, and if they are different than what they should be, flush them and load right ones from PROGDIR:libs :)Last edited by kolla on 17-Dec-2014 at 07:32 PM.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 17-Dec-2014 22:54:08
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utri007 wrote:
Netsurf for RiscOS requires ARM6 20mhz with 16mb ram, there is no reason why Netsurf wouldn't be usefull with 68030 CPU, exect IF you use framebuffer version wich is only meant for DEBUGGING and NO GUI system. And of course SDL does it own "tricks". |
Really? Wow, those specs aren't very high. Of course, Netsurf for 68k uses the debugging version and SDL, so that's not good. If only someone would try to build a proper version.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 17-Dec-2014 23:00:56
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This would require own thread :) EAB and Amiga.org would be right places, remaining 68k coders spends their time those places.
Reality is if you try to compile it, get problems, ask help, you get it. Someboy might even interest enough to do rest.
Problems is that IF Project is started By somebody who hasn't enough knowledge to get even enviroment working, it is a dead end. Those who have needed skill get bored to teach basics. Last edited by utri007 on 17-Dec-2014 at 11:04 PM.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 0:39:50
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I know nothing about binutils, so it needs to be looked at by somebody who has experience with cross compilers for 68k. I'm not interested enough to spend much time on it, I was just seeing if the toolchain build still worked (it didn't). _________________ "Miracles we do at once, the impossible takes a little longer" - AJS on Hyperion Avatar is Tabitha by Eric W Schwartz |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 1:09:44
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Really? Wow, those specs aren't very high. Of course, Netsurf for 68k uses the debugging version and SDL, so that's not good. If only someone would try to build a proper version. |
The actual amiga "community" dont have capable coders to do the work, only capable coders are on scene and they arent interested on this kind of applications.Last edited by kickstart on 18-Dec-2014 at 01:11 AM.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 8:02:27
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The actual amiga "community" dont have capable coders to do the work, only capable coders are on scene and they arent interested on this kind of applications. |
I think the community has got capable coders. The problem being that capable coders most likely know that it's too much work for very little gain. |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 8:56:02
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I probarly read you wrong, but I wonder what you mean about "too much for very little gain"?
Would the effort of trying to channel some income back to "coders" thru for example shops where availablility is thru actually buying instead of maybe donating...?
Or did "little gain" mean small performance increase vs the work put in?
Regardless; Im curious what you think in overall about the attempt of commercialisation of "Amiga"? Im aware that the units being sold is probarly laughable vs what a fulltime developer expects to get back from work, but Im more intrested in your overall impression/thoughts...? |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 9:37:53
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Or did "little gain" mean small performance increase vs the work put in? |
Pretty much this. Surfing on a 030-based machine would still not be enjoyable, and the sites light enough would probably already work on IBrowse.
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Regardless; Im curious what you think in overall about the attempt of commercialisation of "Amiga"? |
I think it's ridiculous. Amiga is a great hobby, but when money gets involved it usually just sucks the fun out of it.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 9:47:10
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Pretty much this. Surfing on a 030-based machine would still not be enjoyable, and the sites light enough would probably already work on IBrowse. |
There are people with powerful 68k machines and UAE users who would enjoy some more up to date browser...
Anyway iBrowse is totally unusable these days coz you can find maybe few HTML4 + no CSS sites about Amiga and thats it.Last edited by ExiE on 18-Dec-2014 at 09:48 AM.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 9:47:25
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You are right, surfing web with 030 woudn't be joy and happines. :) But sometimes it would make life easier to get some downloads work and maybe check some help.
040 and 060 would be different thing, they would get useable web browser. |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 9:49:41
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040 and 060 would be different thing, they would get useable web browser. |
Depends on how you define usable. The browser might be usable, the websites not ;) |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 10:53:14
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The actual amiga "community" dont have capable coders to do the work, only capable coders are on scene and they arent interested on this kind of applications. |
What a waste of talent and electricity.
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 11:21:19
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What a waste of talent and electricity. |
Yeah, it's such a shame that people use their spare time to code stuff they like to code, instead of doing stuff somebody else wants. |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 12:27:53
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 12:58:48
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only capable coders are on scene |
Whatever floats their boat. Today, when every stupid PC screensaver looks better than an Amiga demo, I'm glad that I no longer waste my time with the scene :)
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 13:54:37
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| Hyperion had licenses for a number of games they never ported. If they have the sources and the licenses are still valid it might be worth getting something worked out.
The viability of porting them would have to be assessed carefully though because there's a limit on what people will be willing to pay for such old games.
Gorky17 looked almost ready when Richard Drummond demoed it and porting Shogo and Heretic 2 should be less work since WOS ports exist already.
Getting Freespace on back on sale would be a good idea since 3.x and 4.x ports exist so there would be no porting costs meaning it could be sold at a very reasonable price. |
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 16:34:55
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I think I've just found a fix for the problem anyway. http://www.amigacoding.de/index.php?topic=299.0
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 17:02:39
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Re: Which old Amiga commercial software would you like A-EON to buy next? Posted on 18-Dec-2014 22:47:08
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I think it's ridiculous. Amiga is a great hobby, but when money gets involved it usually just sucks the fun out of it. |
One of the best sentences of the amiga situation today. |
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