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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 10-Apr-2015 10:58:29
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To take your example thread:
Compare Ferrels comment with BZillis later reasoned argument about why you likely need more CPU grunt to achive a PS2 emulator.
Ferrels is destructive (and blatantly untrue) adding nothing useful to the discussion whilst BZillis is helpful at least in so far as explaining why the problem (Of making an PS2 emulator) might be difficult to solve.
Your benchmark example is alittle more complex, as external benchmarks could be used as a put down to take the edge of a sucessful improvemt, or they could be useful info on how much more work there is to do, timeing and tone is everything here.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 10-Apr-2015 13:25:43
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So sick of ppl with their head up theit arse using that label on others that think different.
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How about setting an example then? You rarely post without labelling a bunch of people as "haters" or "trolls". |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 10-Apr-2015 14:06:52
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 10-Apr-2015 14:07:32
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then next goal 2000 |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 10-Apr-2015 14:37:46
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bankruptcy is a financial and legal issue and in that sense they are certainly not (if I understand it right they now officially never were). The court checked numbers, what is on deposit, what income do they have, ... |
Why should the court care bout any of those ?
All it cares for is wether the creditor that filed for Hyperion's bankrutcy is "satisfied" (assuming no other creditor entered claims in the meantime) . It won't ever bother checking if,by whom and how much of the claim has been paid as long as the creditor says "all fine".
Being bankrupt and being declared bankrupt is the same as being dead and being declared dead, one can easily be the 1st long before the 2nd happens.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 10-Apr-2015 22:24:27
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the same as being dead and being declared dead, one can easily be the 1st long before the 2nd happens.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 1:24:37
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Why would the thread be locked when we are finally trying to get some real answers about the future of os4?
@hyperion mp
Still waiting...or do you only show to troll? |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 3:57:24
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Why would the thread be locked when we are finally trying to get some real answers about the future of os4? |
Because historically, asking questions and questioning direction are miscast as derision.
Everyone agrees that trolling is an annoying nuisance but it's not any more so than the dismissive "life is complicated, think nice thoughts" mantras.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 8:51:06
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I'd say this thread is no longer useful , if there are questions to be asked about future life universe and all new thread can be made , right ?
Besides , question of this thread was answered so here's a hint :
Ask how do people expect Hyperion to develop multicore support and Gallium when they have to make sure that OS4 runs on new hardware from AEon now.I don't mean driver support , I mean just make sure the OS actually runs on new system (probably not a small task even if the systems are not that different).
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 12:45:55
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http://www.faillissementsdossier.be/en/bankruptcy/1039367/hyperion-entertainment-cvba.aspx
Not one single word has changed and it still states clearly: Quote:
No reports are available yet. |
Since the world at large doesn't go poking around an Amiga forum to get their news, it might be prudent for Hyperion to try to get a "new report" added, since the above link is STILL the website info that comes up if you happen to use google...
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 12:54:38
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There is disclaimer stating that site is updated as fast as they can but they don't take responsibility if it is not.
Besides , even more the reason to lock thread and wait in my opinion.
Hyperyonmp already posted his response and anyone can check what was told on the subject.
Anyway , just a suggestion ... |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 12:57:02
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Googling for "Hyperion Entertainment" here doesn't get that link on the first page, (halfway down second in fact). There are however serveral prominent os news and another blogs links that announce the bankrupcy.
So perhaps a "press release" confirming the non bankruptcy status might be sensible, so that the blogs and osnews sites can update accordingly.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:03:30
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I think the wiki sums up what we are stating:
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The declarion was apparently overturned on 2 April 2015, but no official statement from court or the company is available. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_Entertainment
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:12:04
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Well , I see speculations not facts.
8. What are the rules relating to reorganisation proceedings?
During the observation period (NOTE: 6 months at least , can be 9) no enforcement measures may be taken or applied against movable or immovable assets.
Law in every country has it's way of doing things so unless someone besides Hyperion's official owner/legal staff has any comments I still say it's pointless.
Here it can take up to 30 working days for court to publish decision sometimes.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:23:50
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Here it can take up to 30 working days for court to publish decision sometimes. |
I gather you're saying this prevents Hyperion from posting the result on their own website or creating a press release, until it IS official?
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:39:33
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If you think I spend my time reading Belgium law for these matters you're wrong :)
Hyperionmp gave very clear answer in this thread leaving no room for speculation at least about this thread.
My point was that speculations cause harm to any company in situation like this so I would say the same if it was Amikit , AEon , former CUSA or anyone else that's all.
Official court decision will be known eventually and then all will be clear.Note that it can mean more than one thing as it can lead to reorganizing company,removing it from registry,selling it (maybe few more) but I see no reason to doubt given answer by poster HYPERYONMP as it makes sense to me at least.Also that it takes time. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:43:48
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I'm too lazy to check right now, but IIRC this particular site takes its information from the Belgian "Letter of State" (no idea about the proper English term - a newsletter where all status changes regarding Belgian companies are published). No idea how often this newsletter is released. |
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:48:24
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I tend to look at things logically, which might not be the best approach.
When I read:
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The hearing will take place next week on Tuesday and one week later the decision of the Court |
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I don't read this as "we'll have a decision one week after, but we won't bother to publish it then" or "on the same site where we announced it".
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 13:56:30
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I tend to look at things logically, which might not be the best approach.
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Clearly not this is amiga land
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When I read:
Quote: The hearing will take place next week on Tuesday and one week later the decision of the Court
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I don't read this as "we'll have a decision one week after, but we won't bother to publish it then".
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I think I made the point before that too much specificness is being infered from an informal reply to a third party query, wriiten in what I assume (but may be incorrect) is not the authors first language.
Publishing date is not even mentioned.
Perhaps Hyperion wish to avoid making a formal public statement till after it's official published, to avoid any contempt of court type situations, who knows to be honest, I certainly don't.
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt? Posted on 11-Apr-2015 14:29:01
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On-topic due to prior mention in this thread:
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Associate Partner at Monard-D'Hulst
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Director at Hyperion Entertainment, Personal assistant (legal) at Jean-Claude Deschamps, Parliamentary aide to Karel De Gucht, former EU Commissioner for Trade at various legislators |
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Member since March 17, 2015 at CEPANI, Director Legal Affairs at Hyperion Entertainment, Associate Partner at Monard-D'Hulst (law-firm)
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Personal assistant (legal) at Jean-Claude Deschamps, Parliamentary aide to Karel De Gucht, former EU Commissioner for Trade at various legislators |
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