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ne_one 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 2:45:27
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@resle

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With this said, it is Hyperion, not AmigaOS which is being hated.


There is no element of hate towards any party. Hatred has succeeded only in dividing this community.

It ultimately comes down to what Hyperion is able to do by virtue of their licensing agreement with Amiga Inc.

Based on what we believe to be true, technical direction for legacy and PPC-based platforms is up to Hyperion. This needs to be clarified, but I suspect that other platforms are outside of the aegis of this agreement.

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resle 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 2:57:37
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@ne_one

What licensing agreement? A court has forced the companies to settle on that.
Amiga Inc sued Hyperion, repeatedly and all the legal boilerplate can be simplified to:

Amiga Inc: "we gave this thing for you to port, but it belongs to us. Give it back"
Hyperion: "no"

Executive summary: an asset-management company incapable of managing assets handed over the treasure to a development company with no resources to properly develop.

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 4:02:51
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@resle

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With this said, it is Hyperion, not AmigaOS...

Well put. But you know how children are, they'll just come back with: Can you do any better?

and

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Executive summary: an asset-management company incapable of managing assets handed over the treasure to a development company with no resources to properly develop.

I like this too. There were some conditions and limitations placed on Hyperion by the mediation, but I guess the greatest limitation is Hyperion itself.

@children of the thread

Yes, I could do better.

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 5:57:38
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@thread

The real cool thing about the world is that it is way bigger than our little Amiga sandbox, and as such it is replete with excellent examples of all sorts. These examples are valuable lessons for almost any endeavour and especially commercial ones.

Whether you are looking to "change the world" or just make a niche market happy, some ways of doing that are more pragmatic than others. Given the amount of data available on ventures that succeeded and those that failed, and when we remove the factor of luck we find which approaches have better chances at success.

I once asked if someone could find a successful instance of a product-to-market model which is similar-enough to A-Eon's. Partly because I was genuinely interested and partly because I wanted to make a point. I even offered a X1000 as the prise for the winner. There were 5 submissions and no one was even close.

But there are also other types of examples; Like recognising that your approach isn't working. I submit to this thread the case of Google Glass.

It sold more units than all the NG Amigas combined.
It was considerably expensive with a price tag of around $1,900.
No-one held a gun to anyone's head to buy one.
It was positioned by Google as R&D tech intended for developers, but they didn't stop non-developers buying them.
Every person who did buy them was free to spend their hard earned cash any way they wanted to.
Many people confronted by someone wearing Google Glass would have thought of the wearer as an idiot.
It was developed and built by passionate people who cared about heads-up technology.
Despite the potential applications for such tech no one really understood Google's strategy for the device.
Despite the potential applications for such tech the potential markets did not rush to take it up as it was a $1,900 solution to a $500 problem.

Google with all their money could've kept on with the product but they realised they had an approach that was not entirely pragmatic. Some people may simply state they had the wrong approach. They didn't move ahead with the release of the next version of the hardware, instead they went back to the proverbial drawing board.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 6:59:28
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@resle

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resle wrote:
If an adult dislikes something, he just doesn't make use of that.
An adult just chooses to eat something else.

So, after 80 pages of people calling others idiots just because they use something they don't like, you're basically saiyng that those same people aren't adult. I agree.

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Amiga4000 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 7:16:01
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sundown wrote:
@Amiga4000

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How about (just a suggestion), since A-Eon owns both AO & AWN, that they brand one of them for Classic and the other for NG?

Funny you should bring that up, it was that way 10 yrs ago. I left A.org because of all the anti-OS4 posts at the time. AW was also OS4 only, no in fighting like now, but sadly, we can't go back.



@sundown

AmigaKit could go back! If they separated the sites (IMHO) their marketing could skyrocket! Half the work of trying to Ad-Centric your sites. And branding each site would give AmigaKit directional product leverage to better serve their customers. Besides, AO & AWN are in need of retooling badly!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 11:31:39
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@Rob

Back in the eighties the Amiga was famous for its multitasking so unlike AmigaOne my AmigaTwo can use all the CPU cores.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 14:15:14
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@ne_one

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This needs to be clarified, but I suspect that other platforms are outside of the aegis of this agreement.


Simply no. As the Agreement is now public, you may read it yourself.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 14:17:08
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@resle

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A court has forced the companies to settle on that.


Source for such claim?

As far as I know, it was voluntary decision of both parties.

Quote:
Executive summary: an asset-management company incapable of managing assets handed over the treasure to a development company with no resources to properly develop.


Well written.

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resle 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 14:39:30
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@pavlor

Source: Wikipedia plus some stuff number6 posted in the past.

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megol 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 14:47:14
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@Nibunnoichi

Yes there are people acting as children in this thread. I guess it includes you too? Difficult to know from reading your post.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 14:52:16
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@resle

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Wikipedia


Ah, I thought so. Noted in my Amiga pages in Wikipedia changes list.

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Nibunnoichi 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 14:57:00
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@megol

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megol wrote:
@Nibunnoichi
Yes there are people acting as children in this thread. I guess it includes you too? Difficult to know from reading your post.

You can review this whole thread (and others) and see who's not accepting that some people prefer using AOS4 over AROS or MOS for whatever reason.
But I guess you understood what i meant and you're just trying to make fun out of me because i'm no native speaker but ehi, i might just include you if you feel excluded.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 16:01:51
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@pavlor

Whilst mediation can be imposed on the parties especially if there is a contractual clause to this effect, a court cannot impose that the mediation results in a settlement nor dictate the terms of the settlement.

So in essence you are right and those contradicting you are wrong.

Hyperion and the Amiga parties reached a comphrensive settlement after 9 months of negotiatons with a federal judge acting as mediator, the outcome reflected the will of both parties.

Although this document is publicly available, it appears that very few people have actually read it or understand it. By way of example, some people seem to believe that Hyperion is still restricted to certain CPU architectures like PPC or that Amiga Inc. retained extensive rights on AmigaOS 3.x.




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megol 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 16:45:21
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@Nibunnoichi

Nope not trying to make fun of you, don't know why you think so?
What I tried to say is that the reactions by AOS4 fans against AROS, MOS etc. is equally childish. Then there are those (from both "sides") that can discuss things as grown ups. If you did try to portrait only the "anti-AOS4" as childish well - then you are childish too, if not - you're not.

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realize 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 17-Apr-2015 23:18:57
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@Hyperionmp

Is there a reason you wont answer my direct questions about amiga os4 development roadmap?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 0:07:07
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@realize

AmigaOS is waiting for advancement in Quatum computer technology so it can make the next great advanced leap to that architecture.

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resle 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 3:04:04
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Quote:

Hyperionmp wrote:

Hyperion and the Amiga parties reached a comphrensive settlement after 9 months of negotiatons with a federal judge acting as mediator, the outcome reflected the will of both parties.

Although this document is publicly available, it appears that very few people have actually read it or understand it.




The document, just like every other court document, bears two levels of interpretation: the shallower one purely reflects the final decision. The deeper one delves into what led to that decision.



Now you're trying to say "see this document? it says that Amiga Inc has given Hyperion the worldwide rights to distribute AmigaOS 4".

But that's just the last sheet of paper on a huge pile.
The whole pile reads:

Amiga Inc had to drag Hyperion into a strenuous legal battle to try getting back something that Hyperion didn't want to give back. Amiga Inc found itself in the position of risking to completely lose the ownership of AmigaOS, or suffer a lesser damage by agreeing to something in-between, so they bit the bullet and accepted the settlement.



Note that I avoided the pointless "@Hyperionmp", as they're obviously not willing to discuss/clarify their wobbly position on a public forum.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 3:33:13
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- edit for no reason...

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 7:41:14
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@thread

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By way of example, some people seem to believe that Hyperion is still restricted to certain CPU architectures like PPC...


Since 2010 the AmigaOS 4 could have been ported to literally anything. A n y t h i n g.

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