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BSzili 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:18:24
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@pavlor

Really? I rest my case then.

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CarasGhant 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:29:36
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@BSzili

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BSzili wrote:
@pavlor

Because it's developed by a handful of volunteers in their free time as a hobby, for free?


But if it's open source and on x86 it must have hundreds of active developers?

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:29:38
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@pavlor

of course development on other camps flies or not?

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:30:15
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@pavlor

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Exactly as any other Amiga-like OS.


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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:31:43
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@CarasGhant

the sixth posting and then such a intelligent question?

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:37:35
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@CarasGhant

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But if it's open source and on x86 it must have hundreds of active developers?

Really? No one is foolish enough to claim that just because something is on x86 it automatically has hundreds of active developers.

There is a ridiculously high number of active-ish OS projects compiled/compilable on x86, like 700+ that are in various states of development and I'd say that less than 10% have more than 100 active developers working on them.

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CarasGhant 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 13:41:10
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@agami

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agami wrote:
@CarasGhant

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But if it's open source and on x86 it must have hundreds of active developers?

Really? No one is foolish enough to claim that just because something is on x86 it automatically has hundreds of active developers.

There is a ridiculously high number of active-ish OS projects compiled/compilable on x86, like 700+ that are in various states of development and I'd say that less than 10% have more than 100 active developers working on them.


The subtle art of sarcasm.

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Zylesea 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:03:38
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@BigD

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Someone, who would pirate OS4 on x86, wouldn“t certainly buy AmigaOne.


Exactly, and since the survival of the AmigaOS platform is intertwined with the success of the AmigaOne hardware, I have no sympathy for people that simply want to spend £30 on AmigaOS FE on their Windoze box. If we don't support A-EON and ACube then AmigaOS has no future. There is not enough money in software sales to keep Hyperion alive never mind A-EON, ACube and AmigaKit! Apple give their OS away free so they understand that the healthy margins are made on custom/bespoke hardware not OS software these days!


I don't agree. You#re thinking the 80ies or 90ies way, but it's 2015 meanwhile. Things have changed a lot. Harsware development is not sustainablre any more unless you offer competetive prices.
And look over to MorphOS: The development pace is way higher than OS4 and all that w/o hardware sales or pricey updates. No hardware dongle required. Next step is to approach current 3rd party mass market hardware (AMD64).

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Boot_WB 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:17:52
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@CarasGhant

I lol'ed (l'edol?)

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:22:28
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@Zylesea

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The development pace is way higher than OS4


Turtle vs snail?


To be fair, both OSs did great progress in last 10 years. Comparison to Atari (MiNT), Risc OS or even Haiku is strongly favorable. Sure we all want more...

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:22:41
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Wow, it looks like some people are determined to create a lot of Off Topic landfill just to get the thread closed for being "Off Topic"? That was a common practice in the past as soon as certain topics became too uncomfortable...

Anyway did we get any answer to this already?

Quote:

Hyperionmp wrote:

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Our ability to proactively counter conspiracy theories is limited so it seems ;)


I see no conspiracy theories, I only see this:

"albeit that some resources had to be directed away"

"The company is in the process of reorganizing itself"

"by opening up its shareholdership"

"and appointing a new exective director"

Your own(?) words. Right? From Hyperions news section!

Let's "go on" discussing THIS, shall we?



Any new information about the changed ownership situation and new management in Hyperion?

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:22:47
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@CarasGhant

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The subtle art of sarcasm.

OK, perhaps a little too subtle

Easily mistaken for a comment that some may make sans sarcasm.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:25:05
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@TRIPOS

Quote:
Wow, it looks like some people are determined to create a lot of Off Topic landfill just to get the thread closed for being "Off Topic"?


Then, this thread would have been closed after first 20 posts.


With great help of all fellow trolls we will reach our next goal - 2000 (mostly OT) posts!

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agami 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:26:34
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@TRIPOS

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Any new information about the changed ownership situation and new management in Hyperion?


There was a use of 'weeks' (plural) in one of the statements so I'd expect to hear something in early May.

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:49:07
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@pavlor

you are a troll? Do not be too harsh to yourself

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 14:50:01
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@Hyperionmp

Quote:

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@pavlor

Whilst mediation can be imposed on the parties especially if there is a contractual clause to this effect, a court cannot impose that the mediation results in a settlement nor dictate the terms of the settlement.

So in essence you are right and those contradicting you are wrong.


Hyperion was contracted by Amiga Inc to do some specific work, which was outlined in detail in a contract. It was a few months of work for which Hyperion would get paid a specific sum.

This contract is ALSO public and open for everyone to read.

And everyone who has been here all the way, knows what happened after that, so don't try to fool anyone...


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By way of example, some people seem to believe ... that Amiga Inc. retained extensive rights on AmigaOS 3.x.


Amiga Inc were the owners of 3.x, Hyperion merely has a license to USE (distribute and/or develop it further (OS4)). How crippled this situation can be, became obvious to most people in the discussions about assets that followed Hyperion's Bankruptcy.

Anyway, it is Cloanto that owns 3.x now (and all previous versions), not Amiga Inc. You didn't know that?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 15:10:24
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@TRIPOS

No official comment has been posted by the Hyperionmp account as to how Hyperion either interprets or supports or denies the news from Cloanto.

reference for those who missed it initially

#6

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TRIPOS 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 15:11:01
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@BigD

Quote:
Quote:


They choose A1-500 and A1-X1000.


A better idea than letting people pirate a copy for use on a x86 machine!


Yeah, because a maximum sized market of, what, 500-800 people IN TOTAL is so much better than having access to a potential hardware base of 50x as powerful and 20x cheaper machines available in the millions, desktops, laptops, HTPC's, and so on. Obscure and slow 3000 EUR/USD machines that almost nobody can buy or wants to buy is so much more preferable than someone potentially uses a pirate copy of OS4 on x86! Because a few hundred users tops is what will enable everything you dream of, hordes of developers providing new powerful applications, a solid development path for the OS itself made by the best and smartest developers available (not some leftover hobbyist), new games, new office apps, new development tools, you name it - those few hundred users as a base is what will secure it all and make it happen, and make application developers think that any effort is worthwhile!

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 15:17:08
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@OlafS25

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you are a troll? Do not be too harsh to yourself


I think my behaviour in this thread can be considered as trolling. However, I have only limited experience on this field.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 18-Apr-2015 15:20:09
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@TRIPOS

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Hyperion merely has a license to USE (distribute and/or develop it further (OS4)).


Exclusive licence to source codes and name. They don“t need more.

Quote:
How crippled this situation can be, became obvious to most people in the discussions about assets that followed Hyperion's alleged Bankruptcy.


Little bit corrected these words for you.

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