@number6

Thanks!

My comment "You didn't know that?" was for his "By way of example, some people seem to believe ... that Amiga Inc. retained extensive rights on AmigaOS 3.x" statement, which gave me the impression that he seemed to believe that Amiga Inc had anything whatsoever to do with 3.x today, when "Workbench 3.x" (the OS for Amiga computers and Amiga Emulators) is Cloanto's property.

@TRIPOS

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50x as powerful and 20x cheaper machines available in the millions, desktops, laptops, HTPC's, and so on.

Failure of AROS to gain such user base shows weakness of such argument. I don´t say it isn´t valid, but there must be other factors.

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Obscure and slow 3000 EUR/USD machines that almost nobody can buy or wants

A1-500 is for less than 1000 EUR.

@TRIPOS

One would have to put everything in chronological order to make sense of it, imo. The Cloanto information is, of course, fairly recent and speaks of ongoing negotiations that (as stated) were going on for years.

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@amigakit

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A-EON is working to slowly build up momentum in software development.

But please! Are you living in denial? Any hopes of a future for OS4 was effectively killed by the "underpowered and barely supported $3000 computers that almost nobody can buy or want to buy is the single only way forward now" doctrine. A few hundred of people won't be a market for any commercial S/W project! "Building up momentum i S/W development", yeah... And in case nobody told you this - an OS4 recompile of PPaint or other 1995 level applications (that were already available in 68k) won't help one bit! How could it?!

@number6

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number6 wrote: @TRIPOS One would have to put everything in chronological order to make sense of it, imo.

The Ben Hermans comment was posted on 17-Apr-2015 17:01:51.

@pavlor

perhaps that there are 1000x as much software on other X86 platforms?

Most people left to Mac, Windows or Linux

The shrinking base that were left had their favorites already. From what I had heard most people that had to do a change (hardware broken as example) left the platform completely and not changed to a alternative platform

@TRIPOS

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But please! Are you living in denial?

There are few hundreds of X1000 users who don´t share your opinion.
You may cry (in forum of course) as much as you want, but that will not improve state of your favourite OS, nor hinder developement of products you obviously hate with passion.

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And in case nobody told you this - an OS4 recompile of PPaint or other 1995 level applications (that were already available in 68k) won't help one bit! How could it?!

Updated PPaint is application I will gladly buy as I use it quite often. I think AmigaKit thinks the same.

@TRIPOS

perhaps you misunderstand their motivations

I do not believe that they expect lots of new users but keeping the small base happy. It all depends how many people you have to feed by it.

@pavlor

he wrote recompile not update. If there will be new features is in the dark now

@number6

So who did Cloanto buy the copyrights from? I can't see McBill nor the Estate allowing piecemeal of AI's IP so I doubt it was from them. If it was't from Amiga Inc - Acer, how does Amiga Inc have the legal standing to issue a license to continue on the code development?

This would kinda explain why McBill/Sheeplord wanted to go beyond 3.x series via Amiga Anywhere and Neutrino (then Linux after Fleecy poison their relationship with QSSL) to escape from Amiga OS code they didn't own nor control. After Ben maneuvers MOS out of the way (which was still clear of Amiga OS copyrights), that kinda left McBill/Sheeplord out of time and out of money. At that point, they probably would not care if OS4 was violating someone else's IP because the end was near already and if they survive, they could hammer out a deal after the fact.

This would make a heck of a novel, but who would believe it?

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he wrote recompile not update. If there will be new features is in the dark now

If you are refering to the recompile comment about PPaint, then there already are new features.

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@pavlor

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There are few hundreds of X1000 users

EXACTLY my point!

@broadblues

then I understood Amigakit wrong. The comments from amigakit were development will depend on sales. Sorry then for that.

@TRIPOS

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EXACTLY my point!

Half empty or half full?

@pavlor

it depends on your expectations

@pavlor

they are doing development for the small existing base. Not more, not less.

@OlafS25

Further development always depends to some extent on sales, but the point is that the existing version 7.3a is more than a recompile, it has quite a few new features over and above the 7.1c version.

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@OlafS25

Ultimately, further development should always depend on sales to prevent finacial difficulties for the company sponsoring the development. A loss making business is never going to survive ultimately.

In relation to A-EON's projects, the foundations for development are being laid now which need to be funded in order for future more progressive development to be built on top of it.

Whenever development can be ported to Classic AmigaOS, then this will be done to ensure the widest market for software development. In respect to the recent new version of PPaint 7.3a, this has worked well with an encouraging amount of Classic licences being sold as well as NG licences. Development will go on with a free updates for current 7.3a users to 7.4 next then onwards to 7.5, demonstrating A-EON's commitment to AmigaOS 3 and 4.

A-EON has another new application project arriving soon that is multi-platform for both AmigaOS 3 and 4- watch this space!

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Hyperion is a software company and does not make money from selling hardware. And you're saying that by making their software available on more prevalent hardware they would make less money? Because of piracy.

Hyperion sells the equivalent of an OEM version of AmigaOS with every AmigaOne computer sold. Hence, hardware sells software and you can bet the agreement to do so is favourable to Hyperion. They put a lot of work in porting the OS to A-EON and ACube hardware so they'll be recompensed for it.

People who already own x86 hardware are not going to buy their hardware from Amiga companies and are going to upgrade when Windows apps feel sluggish not for AmigaOS reasons. Not having AmigaOne hardware in the mix means relying on slim profit margins from software to keep everything ticking over. In AmigaKit and Hyperion's case despite being in sales/distribution and software respectively I'm sure they appreciate the AmigaOne licensing and distribution deals in order to make higher margins! Plus hardware requires maintenance, expansion and peripheral products providing Hyperion with further development opportunities and AmigaKit with peripheral and expansion product sales and accompanying margins. Hardware is integral to the AmigaOne/AmigaOS business model just as it is for Apple.

While I understand you being quite happy with your Windoze box it simply doesn't support AmigaOS in the long run buying a single £30 copy of AmigaOS Classic to run on an emulator. Plus that £30 doesn't go very far in paying for the porting to x86. You want it on x86, then you buy out Hyperion and you pay for it yourself because quite a lot of us don't think the final result will stand us in any better position in terms of drivers and actual applications! PPC chips are still available and Amiga computer are developing new hardware so there is simply no need to waste money jumping CPU architectures at this juncture. Enjoy AROS in the meantime.

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CarasGhant wrote: @BSzili Quote: BSzili wrote: @pavlor Because it's developed by a handful of volunteers in their free time as a hobby, for free? But if it's open source and on x86 it must have hundreds of active developers?

You missed the whole point of moving to x86.

x86 drivers write themselves and the OS mearly needs to be compatable with the cpu.
So if you have an ole x86 lying around and use AOSx86 on it and your SiS graphics card does not work, or your Gravis Ultra Pro sound card just makes buzzing noises you can go to any Amiga related site and bitch, moan, and troll to your hearts content.

Now do you understand?

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