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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 22-Apr-2015 21:34:28
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Maybe this is even more interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_operating_system

Amiga of course includes a DOS. It is called AmigaDOS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaDOS

"AmigaDOS is the disk operating system of the AmigaOS, which includes file systems, file and directory manipulation, the command-line interface, and file redirection."

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Wow. Are all OSes still punchcard-based aswell?


Nope. They share a common ancestor but they are a separate class.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I want to see a technical explaination and historical references on how unix, that in various incarnations represents the majority of modern operating systems today, is "based on" or "derived from", "has", or even _is_ a " DOS".

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@kolla

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I want to see a technical explaination and historical references on how unix, that in various incarnations represents the majority of modern operating systems today, is "based on" or "derived from", "has", or even _is_ a " DOS".



You are attempting to reason with the writer of the excerpt below:


Quote:


[..] Paula was in the shower, singing away and oblivious to how long she was taking. The rest of the apartment however, was not dancing to the same tune as Agnus banged on the bathroom door and doing her best to be herd but not resort to yelling because she knew how much that upset Denise when she is trying to find her artistic motivation. All in all a typical morning in this fifth-floor lower east side apartment in the Lorraine building.

The girls moved to Manhattan six months ago from Santa Clara CA where they had all grown up together. After graduating from their respective colleges they all had the idea that New York was the best place for them. Agnus, a Stanford business major, wanted to achieve high-rise corporate success with either an advertising or a financial firm. Denise, a UCLA fine arts major, felt that only in a multicultural metropolis could she find an audience for her artistic sensibilities, and Paula, a free spirited Yale music major, was looking to sing or perhaps even dance her way into show business, Broadway here she comes. [...]

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@resle

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You are attempting to reason with the writer of the excerpt below: ....


What are you implying; Everything I write is fiction?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@kolla

Let me ask you a few questions:

Are you opposed to the re-classification of Pluto as a dwarf planet?

Are you opposed to the re-classificaiton of the Aves (birds) class into an order of the Reptilia class?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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its a multi threaded mcu, best suited for io processing, yes. ecs/aga is totally out of the question. but cia or maybe even parts of paula should be possible.

if only it was memory mapped from the main cpu

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@agami

No, I do not mind that scientists, in consensus, update their classifications to better reflect the reality they, as experts in their respective fields, work with. Now let me ask you, what expertice have you in computer sciences and technology history, and where is the consensus to support your claims? And for what practical purpose?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@agami

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Wow. Are all OSes still punchcard-based aswell?


Nope. They share a common ancestor but they are a separate class.


Clearly that's not true as given a suitable driver any OS could load data from paper tape reader. You concept of computer taxonomy is the equivalent of classifying a zebra and a tiger as the same family as they are both stripey.

@thread

It seems you have stumbled onto Hyperions secret plan to beat the world in the forth coming recycleable paper tape reveolution, so can we finish with this thread now?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@broadblues

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can we finish with this thread now?


No there are still many on topic outstanding questions unanswered!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@kolla

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I want to see a technical explaination and historical references on how unix, that in various incarnations represents the majority of modern operating systems today, is "based on" or "derived from", "has", or even _is_ a " DOS".


In the middle age of computing era, DOS stated for "Disk-based Operating System" and was generally used for any operating system that somehow needed to access the drive, in order to work.

Commodore 64's original operating system (the kernal), which exposed its terminal interface and its BASIC interpreter was a ROM-based OS and NOT a DOS. You could, however, access a little DOS-based operating system written in the built-in controller of Commodore disk drives (like the 154I or the 1581) through 4 BASIC commands like Open, Input#, Print# and Close. GEOS, however, was a DOS.

Amiga Workbench was a DOS, even though some parts of it were stored in ROM to save space and speed up operations.

All modern AmigaOS flavours and lookalikes are DOS. Windows is a DOS. MacOSX and Linux distributions are DOSes.

MS/DOS was obviously a DOS. Problem here, however, is that too much people see "DOS" and read "MS/DOS", which is a mistake.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Dos nowadays is hidden by the user interface and just known by people like me that is over 50 (40). I was with my daughter (she is 22) trying to solve a problem on her w8 laptop. I called the cmd and typed dir something*.* and she commented: why are you putting an emoticons at the end of the line?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone

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In the middle age of computing era, DOS stated for "Disk-based Operating System" and was generally used for any operating system that somehow needed to access the drive, in order to work.


Not true, drop "based". DOS is "disk operating system" and is a term that was used by certain people (companies) to describe the part of an OS that deals with operating disks and filesystems. For other people and companies, the term made little sense, disks were just another resource, filesystems just another abstraction.

I ask again, how is for example Linux a DOS? It does not rely on disks, you can configure and boot a kernel to act as a router for example, without any filesystem whatsoever, it will happily run in memory and switch network packets all by itself. That most vendors prefer to give it at least a little ramdisk to boot from to feed it parameters, but it is strictly not needed.

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@paolone

So should we call any multitasking OS TOS (Time-based OS)? Or perhaps ROS (RAM ...)?
An ever increasing amount of computers doesn't use disks at all, so does the OS suddenly turn from a DOS to a SSOS?

DOS was useful early on as a term to 1) indicate that an operating system was capable of manage disks 2) indicate _the_part_ of the OS that managed disks. It isn't useful now. Disks are simply one resource of many managed by the OS.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone

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n the middle age of computing era, DOS stated for "Disk-based Operating System" and was generally used for any operating system that somehow needed to access the drive, in order to work.

The "disk" in DOS indicates that it *only* manages disks. There is no process or memory management as there would be in a complete OS. The historical term DOS indicates a subset of OS functionality. IBM DOS/360 is an early example.

Any operating system that support process and memory management is not a DOS.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@thread

ENOUGH OF THIS STUFF!!!

YOU ARE OFF TOPIC FOR THE DOZILLIONS TIMES IN THIS THREAD.


Please stop immediately or I will report any of you to the moderators.


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If you want to blabber about Disk Operating Systems start a child new discussion!
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I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT HYPERION STATUS IN THIS THREAD AND STILL THERE ARE NO IMPARTIAL VERIFIED NEWS FOM BELGIUM BUT ONLY A PRESS RELEASE FROM HYPERION ITSELF!


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@Raffaele

no.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 24-Apr-2015 6:22:01
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@kolla

The same way an Albatros and a Penguin are of the same class.

And if you follow the new classification, the same way a Chicken and a Komodo Dragon are of the same class.

@broadblues
And just because A can be adapted to do B it does not change what that A is based on. The core inner workings, the MO of it.

@megol. Sure enough there could be a ROS, which would ultimately belong to the same class of DOS. ROS would be a different family or genus of operating systems.

Over the past 50-60 years as operating systems have been developed each new operating system was influenced by systems that have come before it. Back in the '60s they didn't call it a DOS class. There wasn't enough variation to map it out that way. But given the amount of time that has past since then, and the sheer amount of variation that has emerged in operating systems, the influences can now be mapped, and it turns out that the principles of the operating systems you know as DOS, were laid down over 40 years ago, and pretty much every modern OS still operates with these principles as its MO.

There's an excellent graphic on one of the walls at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View where they have done this type of mapping and classification for computer languages. It was a much easier task as there are fewer languages than operating systems. Looking at the latest languages to come on the scene it's nice to REBOL is there as well; A completely unique species on it's own branch amongst modern languages, but still sharing its ancestry with other modern languages.

@thread
Token on-topic conversation piece. Does anyone know if any of the non-bankrupt Hyperion folk will be at the Amiga30 celebration?

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TrevorDick wrote:
I think this thread has run its course.

It turning in a mud slinging contest rather that an open and constuctive debate. It a moot point anyway since Hyperion are apparently not bankrupt.

So just enjoy your hobby, agree to disagree and get on with life.

TrevorD

"Supporting all Amiga-inspired flavours"

(edit: typo)



Been waiting for my ban to end to reply to this post.... seems Trevor is not happy that Hyperion are not bankrupt. No message of support, no "phew", just "Hyperion are apparently not bankrupt".

Says to me, he really wished they were so he could buy the licence that would have reverted back to Amiga Inc. Hyperion and Amiga Inc have done hardly anything useful with the platform in all these years, so I think Trevor could have given the project to his gardener and got more done with it.

Foul language and personal attack removed OS4 instead of Windows? Grow up!

Mod Note: Irrespective of things, that kind of comment is uncalled for. As per your wishes, you are restricted again

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@A1200

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Been waiting for my ban

Nice try.

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