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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Feb-2015 13:11:33
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: ) ... who knows maybe fresh blood boosts development.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Feb-2015 13:20:28
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Wow, I didn't realize you had so many different hardware issues with your Sam. My OS 4 experience was a lot different than yours...when I got my AmigaOne in, I think 2003, I was thrilled just to be using Amiga OS again.....after 3 years of Windows crap OS. Plus it had a built-in high resolution graphics card, sound worked flawlessly, and Petunia allowed me to load and run most o f my old Amiga programs without having to load and configure UAE. This was infinitely better than Amiga OS3 and far more stable.
Sure, memory protection is a must nowadays but OS 3 didn't have it so I was used to running that way.
I`m just surprised at how bitter you seem to have become about Amiga OS4 since you sold your SAM. Your posts have gotten more critical, demeaning and pointless. Why do you hang around this forum? Really, is it just to bash and mock people because you didn't get the OS the way you wanted it to be?
I`m sorry you're SAM sucked. It was pretty bad that you got a machine with sound problems and other issues.....but why do you hang around here for years now just to bash and vent? Why stew in a pool of bitterness, my friend? Go buy and enjoy Morph OS, AROS, ios, whatever..... and enjoy it! If you wanted Amiga OS4 to succeed, you could have used your programming talents to help make some new and better programs for it. You had a chance to make a difference.
Why live in a world of "if only"'..... if only Commodore had marketed the Amiga right, if only Hyperion had done this or that........ if you dislike what happened, you can either make a positive difference or move on and let it go.

Scott



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satiropan 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Feb-2015 13:34:04
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instead, what about the amiga machines they are supposed to have in their offices, are they going to sell them?
ther will be a bid?

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DocBrown 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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: ) ... who knows maybe fresh blood boosts development.

That's what I was up to.

Edit: On a second thought, if it gets into the wrong hands, the classic port will likely vanish. Fingers crossed for Hyperion.

Last edited by DocBrown on 15-Feb-2015 at 01:54 PM.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Their exclusive (and nontransferable?) licence to distribute AmigaOS.

According to section 25 of the 2009 agreement, the agreement "may not be assigned to any third party without the prior written consent of all Parties hereto" - which probably equals nontransferable in this case.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@cgutjahr

so OS4 lives or dies with Hyperiob, since McEwen would probably ask (too much) money for transfer.

Hmmm... Well, A-eon could buy/license code that makes OS4, and rename it, thus removing the need for McEwen's agreement...

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@WolfToTheMoon

Or buy entire Hyperion...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

I think that would still require McEwen's approval.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@WolfToTheMoon

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so OS4 lives or dies with Hyperiob

Not necessarily. AFAICT, this is what you need to continue OS4 development:

1. os3 source code license + rights to distribute and modify
2. the work done by os 3.5+/os4 devs in the last 1.5 decades
3. a name ("AmigaOS" is a trademark owned by AInc)

#2 should only be a financial issue. I can't imagine any devs unwilling to relicence their work in exchange for finally getting some payment. And any exclusive licences Hyperion may have had would be void.

For #1 you could approach Cloanto and see what rights they have

Regarding #3: Cloanto could also provide a name, they own the "Workbench" trademark.

It's mostly a financial issue, I guess. Not sure how much cash you'd need and if anybody would be insane enough to cough it up in 2015. Especially given that the very important "Amiga" trademark seems to be out of reach for now.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

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Or buy entire Hyperion...

Nobody will do that, that's for sure.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@cgutjahr

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1. os3 source code license + rights to distribute and modify


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For #1 you could approach Cloanto and see what rights they have


As far as I know Cloanto has no OS3 source codes. Even Amiga.Inc had not these - OS4 project was based on sources from Olaf Barthel.

Straight buy out of Hyperion (with all assets and liabilities) would be best way - I think this is compliant with Settlement Agreement (parties of contract are still the same), but Im no lawyer.

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Nobody will do that, that's for sure.


Why?

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broadblues 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

Guys, Hyperion isn't dead yet, and here you are tying to pick over it's corpse, watch out Zombies bite

Meanwhile work continues, I just confirmed a bug fix in intuition only this mornning....

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@broadblues

Yes I know. Only speculations on my side. Talk is cheap.

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cgutjahr 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

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As far as I know Cloanto has no OS3 source codes

You don't need the actual sources, a bunch of people can provide these (like Olaf, as you mentioned). You need a license to use, modify and sell them.

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Straight buy out of Hyperion (with all assets and liabilities) would be best way

Whatever Mr. the-dog-ate-my-paperwork wants you to believe, "all liabilities" might (a) be a lot more than the whole project is worth and (b) a partially unknown quantity.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Feb-2015 15:48:25
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@all

Right! Cannot beleive all this nonsense.

The only way to shut up these naysayers would be to release the new OS. FE was not enough?

True that things are a bit slow. Waiting for the next still. In this while using Win7- I know I'm marked dead now but what can be done. This is reality. Still a die-hard Amyfan;)

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tlosm 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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I dont think that : Trevor buy AmigaWorld and Amiga.org ... plus meny programs ... invest 1.600.000 usd for the amiga x 5000 and amigaos 4.x and make hyperion goes in bankrupcy ...
I think something is mooving in background and soon we will have a great news

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Feb-2015 16:23:11
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I thought Hyperion bankruptcy was the great news. :x

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@tlosm

Someone should lock this thread, everything with hyperion is contiuing as usual, all this thread is doing is feeding trolls.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Thread is full of no-lifers and 40+ year olds that talk like 13yr olds.

How can anyone wish bankruptcy on anyone?

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