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cdimauro 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 2-Mar-2015 21:09:46
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@Massi

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@cdimauro

OK!

Well Fightin' Spirit is well famous, I didn' t know about USA Racing.

I'm the forth from the left:


An image from the presentation:


Unfortunately I haven't found another two magazines which reported more pictures and information.

P.S. Perpetual Craze was the original name / prototype of Fightin' Spirit.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

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If you open my profile you can list my projects then ... hopefully you find something of your interest for OS4

I already took a look in the past.

But, as I said, I'm using AROS, and currently I'm experimenting something.

@all: sorry for the OT.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@cdimauro

OK thanks.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@All

Sorry for the off topic ... good night!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Massi

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Sorry for the off topic ...


With on-topic-only comments, we wouldn´t be on page 35.


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good night!


Sweet dreams!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Thread

So are they or aren't they bankrupt? It's been 35 pages and still we don't really know what's happening! It would have good to see if the second core of the PA-6T could have been supported in AmigaOS before they switched out the light! How are we ever going to get Elite: Dangerous ported without SMT ?

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For me, those and the Amiga-mini (the most powerful Amiga ever built) were true Amigas because they were Commodore Amigas.


Sorry, just read this!!! Presumably your saying that the ill fated Amiga Mini had more in common with the 68k machines than the AmigaOnes because it copied the A1000 packaging design and had the Amiga tick and Amiga font on the aluminium case?! You're entitled to your opinion but that is some interesting logic!!! Just two questions:

1) Can you run Deluxe Paint or Speedball 2 natively on a Amiga Mini?

2) Has that anything to do with Hyperion's supposed bankrupcy?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

Hmmm... this statement is indeed questionable:

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1) Can you run Deluxe Paint or Speedball 2 natively on a Amiga Mini?


I guess I can't run my old MacOS System 7.5 installation for 68K on a brand new Mac Pro, but this does not makes the modern Mac Pro lesser a Macintosh than my old Quadra was. If you agree a 1990 Apple Macintosh can be hugely different than a 2014 Apple Macintosh, you should also let a 2013 Commodore Amiga being different than a 1992 Commodore Amiga. You may argue 2013 Commodore (C=USA) was different than 1992 Commodore (CBM), but both 'commodore' and 'amiga' names were the right ones and officially licensed.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@mr2

and others defend a certain OS without using or even owning it. Very common in amigaland too

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@andres

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Anyway, as you - rightly - suggest Hyperion/A-EON to finally understand that continuing to focus on expensive hardware like the X1000 will not bring to a bigger user base, I guess that the AROS community should seriously take a look at the fact that after 20 years from the start of the project, the user base is equally small (or even smaller than AmigaOS), considering the idea that trademarks or not, if these are the results some big mistakes must have been made.


(sorry for late answering, got very little time to follow this)

Yes. The greatest and saddest mistake was optimisticly hoping that Amigans would have been long-sighted enough, to understand the relevance and the importance of making the OS by themselves. They prefered following dreams sellers again, instead, boringly repeating us that we should have missed something as well, if they all insisted in their behavior instead of helping us AND make the AROS user/coder base grow. What makes the situations exactly in the middle of 'funny' and 'silly', again, is the FACT that AROS has always been an Amiga's community project, born from Amigans and brought up for Amigans, and Amigans simply treated is as a bastard competitor for the 'true' AmigaOS which indeed did not work for a very long time on real Amigas (nor does today, on not PPC-enhanced hardware).

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone

Assuming "if" Hyperion would really go bankrupt and development of AmigaOS is in danger some might change their minds regarding AROS. But in general most amigans are longtime user and have their favorite platform so unless something dramatical happens they will not change platform. But perhaps slowly things will change :). Software decides, we need more software on and exclusive for AROS that justifies to use AROS instead of AmigaOS and MorphOS.

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BigD 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@paolone


Smaller resolution picture used now with COS emulating OS3.5? But it can't do this out of the box can it? That's E-UAE in action!

So this is the 'continuation' of the Amiga legacy is it? A Ram disk, rip off glow icons from OS3.5 (correction: it looks like someone hacked it to use Glow Icons and have a Ram Disk as the default has a Computer Icon very similar to 'My Computer') and a H&P style Ami-Dock!! That along with Commodore-Amiga branding and a fancy A1000 themed box! Are we that naive that we can't see I.P. opportunism when it occurs?

I asked about Deluxe Paint & Speedball 2 because those are well known Amiga programs/games that are able to run on AmigaOne machines either through 68k JIT emulation via Petunia or in the case of Speedball 2 WHDLoad courtesy of RunInUAE.

There is no equivalent 'built-in' emulation of Amiga programs or a continuation of the Amiga Workbench environment it is simply a cheap knock off trading off a defunct brand name!

Admittedly the Amiga IP is a mess and will become even more so if Hyperion goes belly-up but anyone can see that AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS are the living embodyment of the 'Amiga' in this day and age and the only actively developed Amiga hardware are the AmigaOne/ACube Sam systems.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

make the picture a little smaller please...

Paolone talked about AROS

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OlafS25 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

then AMOS, demos and so on also work on your environment? That is how I define "Amiga". And it certainly has a custom chipset that is clearly different from what is used on PC? If not it is just a PC with a different processor (only more expensive and slower).

I do not see the real difference between a board with PPC and standard components or ARM with standard components or X86/X64 with standard components.

But we do not need to start this discussion again because we will not come to one opinion.

Software decides about how useful a platform is

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BigD 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@OlafS25

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make the picture a little smaller please...

Paolone talked about AROS


I've made the picture smaller but Paolone was definitely talking about the Amiga Mini:

Quote:
You may argue 2013 Commodore (C=USA) was different than 1992 Commodore (CBM), but both 'commodore' and 'amiga' names were the right ones and officially licensed.


AROS works on ANY PC (some better than others I think), but you definitely don't need the overpriced Commodore Amiga Mini to run it! This thread doesn't necessarily translate as "AmigaOS is dead! Long live AROS!" by the way!

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 3-Mar-2015 2:19:08
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@BigD

am repeating Paolone on this but like to say it my way...

Well, so part of the former Amiga community decided that they did not want to wait for another "savior" of the Brand, might have been red or blue and decided to build their own platform-independent system; they mostly got ridiculed and mocked for it - especially for the fact that was deceloped on Intel machines;
due to that contributions were and still are minimal, and indeed the first ten years of AROS were pretty slow, it gained native status in early 2000 and was on 2007 - when i got aboard - barely usable; however, once foundations were estabilished things sped up fast and now is at the level you see; think one moment what AROS would have been if instead to need a "mother company" or fuel its ego everyone decided to contribute: because AROS belong to everyone that develops and uses it, even at you if you do something for it.

I personally am not critic of os-4 per se; might not like the idea to diverge from the standard and estabilished Amiga way of doing things and some unhappy choices on solutions adopted, but the REAL turn off is the elitistic and nearly-suicidal business model of Hyperion and its toxic stand towards other Amiga and like realities to be criticized; that and an elitistic "holier than thou" attitude of some devs and users that instead of finding commmon ground to have a more relevant market and decide to enjoy their and other incarnations of our beloved hobby seemed to take a crusade to encircle and wipe out the "heretics": add finally to the mix their willful submission to Hyp and other os4 related brands so to keep the system alive, with a fierce repression of any criticism, constructive and not , and any subversive idea and technology - rather than using their wallet veto power as customers to force hyperion to improve the situation and have more platforms and bugs fixed and maintained - and you end up transforming os4 and related forums in a self-created ghetto with its own big hugbox.

So for me that Hyperion is no more is an improvement of the situation, hoping that whoever comes to get the brand will correct the actual status quo and make the scene a more healthy place to enjoy this hobby.

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@pavlor

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I don´t like thread necromancy.

I do. Occasionally it results in someone arguing with themselves and not realizing it, which is always entertaining.

Update: I just slogged though pages 28-35 of this thread with the hope of finding new information. There is none. Would someone please invoke Godwin's law so this thread gets locked.

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@cdimauro

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@BigD

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So are they or aren't they bankrupt? It's been 35 pages and still we don't really know what's happening!

The official word is that Hyperion is not bankrupt and that they're filing against the bankruptcy claim. But as it appears, every Tom, Dick and Harry is free to disregard what goes straight from the horse's mouth, so this ridiculous thread can go on uninterrupted.

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So are they or aren't they bankrupt? It's been 35 pages and still we don't really know what's happening!

The official word is that Hyperion is not bankrupt


Please.

The official word is that Hyperion have been declared bankrupt.
- This is their current legal state, as can be viewed through the website faillissementdossier.be (the belgian branch of the international (EU) web portal for publishing bankruptcy proceedings).

They are appealing against this decision.
- This is as per the curator appointed to oversee Hyperion during bankruptcy proceedings whilst the directors have been suspended.

It does appear that the operations of the company are continuing in the meantime, probably at the request of some of Hyperions' creditors, which is provisioned for in Belgian bankruptcy law.

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and that they're filing against the bankruptcy claim. But as it appears, every Tom, Dick and Harry is free to disregard what goes straight from the horse's mouth, so this ridiculous thread can go on uninterrupted.


Well, you seem to have misidentified the back end of the horse there Trixie - that ain't the mouth.

But feel free to disregard every resource available, the word of the appointed curator, and just listen to the soothing sound of Ben's voice telling you it's all OK.

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