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Or just completely abandon it and create the alternative.

Or simply wait and see how this all pans out first! Hyperion are still selling OS4.1 FE and have not been dissolved yet so I think this thread has run its course until we hear more concrete info. How about we talk about something more positive in the meantime?

For example: Commodore Amiga: a visual Commpendium is nearly finished!

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I don't know if someone has already made this question - it just came to my mind:

What do you think: Is Trevor about to buy the Hyperion assets?

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@BigD

Looking for ways to make oneself feel better instead of looking at the potentially unpleasant evidence is the trait of a religious person. You are not religious are you BigD?

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I see it more like the the author of the Serenity Prayer (no nothing to do with the film but a good prayer in overwhelming periods of upheaval; a bit like fighting the Reavers in said Serenity film )!

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Serenity Prayer Reinhold Niebuhr (1892-1971) God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; enjoying one moment at a time; accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; that I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him forever in the next. Amen.

... and for the record I do not consider myself 'religious' I simply have a relationship with Jesus. Religion involves working in your own strength to attempt to please a man made god. Following Jesus involves accepting that Jesus is the only way to God and that nothing we can do in our own strength makes us worthy or holy enough to be in God's presence. Only by accepting that Jesus took the punishment for our sins on the cross can we be right in God's eyes. God sees Christians as sinless not because they are not sinners but because he sees Jesus' sinless life in the place of our sinful one. It's called Substitutionary Atonement if you are interested.

The 4 Points

God love me
I have sinned
Jesus died for me
I need to decide to live for God

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@BigD

129,866 GBP, that a lot of money, writing a book takes time, but this is mostly screenshots

For that sum, you can get two developers working for 1 year, or have one developer working on project for two years, full time.

I have not seen any software development project that has gotten that kind of support in Amiga community.

The 25,000 GBP was the goal that was need for this bok project.

It's clear that Bunty's vs Crowed Funding, Crowed Funding is most efficient. Or am I miss reading this and community is more interested in books, then software?

Or maybe the potential customers no long stay on forums, because of infighting, so it makes harder to get people to support bounty's?

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Ok, it is clear a Kickstarter book can be finished to a certain level of professionalism and on time.Timberwolf was late and everyone still seems to use OWB rather than Timberwolf anyway! Bounties are failing!

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@BigD

I wonder way they invented topics, this this one cover most things from crowd funding, religion, how stupid Ben is, and what is best of AROS, OS4, MorphOS. X86 vs PPC vs ARM. How blind AmigaOS4 users are, and how Evil Hyperion is. Benchmarks that used to show have fast a CPU based on test that do not test the same conditions.

Maybe someone should change the topic to anything goes.

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relationship with Jesus

relationship with jesus? sounds like stress, hope he washes the dishes at least.

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hope he washes the dishes at least.

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Massi wrote: @All I don' t know about Belgium, in Italy this kind of things can really take ages, bureaucracy ...

(and also @paolone, @Dirk-B and others)
No, these things should not take long, not even in Italy or Belgium. What can take years (sometimes many years) is the complete bankrupcy procedure. This means that creditors, unpaid workers and so on, will see their money, and usually not all of them, only years after the bankrupcy was originally declared.
The specific ruling of bankrupcy is quick: and was made on the 27th of January indeed. I do not know the specific timings of the Belgian law, but the European Union is trying to get things work in an homogeneous way in the various member countries. So, citing for reference the Italian law, after the bankrupcy declaration, the debitor has 30 days to appeal. And this is what Ben Hermans did, within the 30 days indeed (he mentioned the appeal here weeks ago). The request for an appeal does not suspend the bankrupcy ruling, but the curator has to set an hearing within 45 days from said request. This is what Bert did, and indeed within 45 days: the date was set on March, 5th. This appeal in Italy is usually oral, and ruling is made on the same day. We do not know if this is exactly the same in Belgium, but I doubt it can be *much* different. You can't let a company bankrupt if it should not be, because this would indeed cause its bankrupcy anyway, and this is the reason for this part of the procedure to have short terms and fast rulings. Since the terms have been modified in Italy under request of the EU, i doubt these can be a lot different in Belgium.

That said, I do not contest that bankrupcies are loooong procedures in Italy. As I said, and as correctly paolone guessed, it's this first part that has to be quick.

Just as a reference, a page that explains all of this in simple terms (in Italian, I guess you can find something similar in other languages):
http://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Procedura_fallimentare

@damocles
What the curator (in this case this Bert guy) can do with a bankrupt company is quite little. We are not talking about voluntary administration. We are talking about a company sentenced bankrupt under the request of creditors. The bankrupt company stops operation (because it was clearly operating at a loss, so continuing would just increase debts) unless the court rules about "provisional operation". But considering that Hyperion did not have proper employees, this is unlikely. Contract workers should be noticed. Of course they can continue with their project, but work done during this time-frame will not be paid by anyone.
What will be done for sure is selling copies of AOS4 in storage, if Hyperion has any, but I guess it sub-licenced physical production and distribution of these to AEon/AmigaKit.

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@guruman

Thanks for explaining.

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What will be done for sure is selling copies of AOS4 in storage, if Hyperion has any, but I guess it sub-licenced physical production and distribution of these to AEon/AmigaKit.

Granted you said A-Eon/AmigaKit, but...

Acube SRL facebook February 11 at 10:45am ·

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Dear customers, if you need AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition, hurry up. When the current batch will be sold out, you will have to wait ...

This does not sound like an issue of waiting to produce more, does it? If they were running low and had the right to distribute, surely they would just make more, no?

I thought perhaps this referred to waiting for license keys to be generated/purchased. What do you think?

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@guruman

I think that too. A company being declared that is catastrophic and if it is not yet bankrupt it would be soon after. Imagine a company with production that has to buy parts from outside and imagine what will happen if the vendors read that the company is bankrupt. In case of pure services companies it is easier but the laws are equal for all companies. So I think too that they will decide about the appeal very soon otherwise they would have much time because the company would be really bankrupt sooner or later.

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@number6

I can remember someone saying it is in production already (I think it was about reported errors) so too late too correct it on FE. But there was never any mentioning who ordered and paid the production of FE.

from Acube Facebook page:
"Dear customers, to avoid any confusion we will soon purchase new Final Edition licenses from Hyperion"

that answers your question I think

Another thing is the silence... not just by Hyperion

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@guruman

Interesting explanation, but one detail to note is that the 4th of March is the "Date for the filing of the first official report of verification of claims: March 4, 2015" (translated with google but meaning is reasonably clear) that's not the date of a hearing for Hyperion's Appeal. If such a date has been set it's not been published.

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The following online retailers and repair centers are recommended (not necessarily complete):

APC&TCP (http://www.amigashop.org) (Germany, main retailing partner)

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@OlafS25

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"Dear customers, to avoid any confusion we will soon purchase new Final Edition licenses from Hyperion"

Well that's kinda my point. The posts are from after the date bankruptcy was declared by the court. I was just curious if the continued business of selling these licenses was performed directly by Hyperion.

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@number6

Maybe they are waiting till al cd's are sold...

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