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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 14-Mar-2015 20:22:23
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I wish you would turn down the fanboi level a couple of notches.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

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I stopped believing that there was a god around about the same time Santa Claus wasn't real.


i know exactly how you feel. I grew up catholic and watched so many hypocrites in the church, as well as my parents being pretty wicked, that I went from religion to religion looking for answers...Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity was pretty much out - I had condemned it just from the bad example I saw of my parents. By the time I was 18 I was a devout atheist and became totally self focused, started doing drugs and drinking too much and chasing women. I did things like that for another 18 years and never felt peace in my heart and never found any answer to why I existed or if I had any value in this world. So i decided to kill myself after a personal relationship hurt I experienced. On my way driving home to go get my hand gun to shoot my brains out, I did something rather odd. i cried out to God and said "God, if you exist, if you are real, please please help me!" and at that moment my car filled with bright white light and God came and told me personally that He loved me and that I was His child forever. He showed me that Jesus really did die to make it possible for all of us to be reconciled to God the Father, and then He showed me what it would be like to be with Him in heaven. He showed me too that the bible was really true, that my life did have meaning and purpose, and that I am loved, not for what I do, but because He created me and made me. i immediately became a completely new creation, the old me died that moment and forever, and I was a brand new human being with Jesus living in me and through me. The light faded and I drove home and called everyone I knew and told them how sorry I was for being so hurtful and evil to them, and how God saved my life because He loves me. i realized that because of the bad example of a few people who claimed to be Christians but had never been transformed by God's saving grace, I had discarded the possibility of Christianity and lived a life of torment....until that fateful day when I cried out to God and recognized that the way I had lived my life had been an utter and complete failure and only led to death.....but God came and saved me and gave me new life.
That was 16 years ago. I have lived as a child of God through Jesus living in me for all of that time, through no effort of my own, but by God's life being lived in me every day. And I know what it is like to think God is a fake because He doesn't answer your prayers or rescue you from bad situations all the time, and even getting to the point of rejecting Him as I had for 18 years, because He allows us to have free will so we can chose to accept Him instead of Him forcing us to accept Him. Forced love is called slavery, and God is a God of true love, not slavery.
So I know very well how you feel. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Scott

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

Sorry?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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Thanks for the optimistic vision
Despite what EU said, Italy is hopeless for this kind of things ...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

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@A1200

Sorry?

No he's not....

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 14-Mar-2015 22:31:31
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I am not a moderator, but pretty please: Could we just leave out religion from this board. There are didicated fora for that stuff, but AFAIK Amiga is not about religion.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@Zylesea

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Amiga is not about religion.


Amiga? Religion? Devout fanatics, burning of heretics. Sounds like religion.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Mar-2015 1:45:34
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@scabit

Scott what a sad state you got into but you are very much your own person. as comforting as you may find god, there's no evidence for such a being beyond personal revelation that cannot be corroborated. If there was a god, I would tell him I will do no worshiping or begging, it's his bag if he made me I will take my chances without his help from here. Following god is some kind of primal need to be enslaved.

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guruman 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Mar-2015 2:20:31
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@guruman

Acube SRL facebook February 11 at 10:45am ·

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Dear customers, if you need AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition, hurry up. When the current batch will be sold out, you will have to wait ...


This does not sound like an issue of waiting to produce more, does it? If they were running low and had the right to distribute, surely they would just make more, no?

I thought perhaps this referred to waiting for license keys to be generated/purchased. What do you think?

#6

I am not a lawyer, so I would only comment on laws and terms like in the previous message, and not on the application of laws. If we were to use logic (and this is often not applicable in these cases), the curator would quicky estimate costs of issuing a licence and value of royalties for each copy sold, and if in the end the sale of an additional copy would result in a net profit for the company, he would allow generation of more keys - because this would make easier for the creditor to get back at least part of his money later on. Release of updates would be stopped, probably.

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Interesting explanation, but one detail to note is that the 4th of March is the "Date for the filing of the first official report of verification of claims: March 4, 2015" (translated with google but meaning is reasonably clear) that's not the date of a hearing for Hyperion's Appeal. If such a date has been set it's not been published.

I am not a lawyer, English is not my first language and Flemish or French even less so, but I am under the impression that the convoluted expression you quoted for the 4th March milestone is not excluding that it was the case in which the appeal would be discussed. In fact it makes little sense to spend time discussing credits (by the way, translating in Italian instead of English gives credits instead of claims) if the company is actually not bankrupt. And indeed delaying this discussion would be against EU directives and common sense: if a company is declared bankrupt just due to a paperwork error, reversal of the decision should be done as fast as possible in order not to damage the company beyond repair.

@Massi
It's not optimism, and it's not (only) about the EU. What I quoted was the Italian law. Things might not work good, but in this specific case, reversal of a declaration of bankrupcy that was made on a wrong basis has to be fast.

Kind regards,
Andrea

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matthey 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Mar-2015 2:43:40
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A1200 wrote:
Scott what a sad state you got into but you are very much your own person.


Buying an Amiga hasn't been that bad ;).

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As comforting as you may find god, there's no evidence for such a being beyond personal revelation that cannot be corroborated.


Personal revelation is not enough? Maybe not for you until you meet God on the road to Damascus where you learn just how blind you have been by questioning and persecuting other people's knowledge and beliefs.

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If there was a god, I would tell him I will do no worshiping or begging, it's his bag if he made me I will take my chances without his help from here. Following god is some kind of primal need to be enslaved.


Scott is correct about God granting freedom of choice and wanting everyone to be free. He is obviously a content man while you seem conflicted.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:
@Zylesea

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Amiga is not about religion.


Amiga? Religion? Devout fanatics, burning of heretics. Sounds like religion.


Yup, not only is Amiga a religion, we have several different denominations who used to war it out between each other. Hehehehe.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Mar-2015 3:44:55
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Or simply wait and see how this all pans out first! Hyperion are still selling OS4.1 FE and have not been dissolved yet so I think this thread has run its course until we hear more concrete info. How about we talk about something more positive in the meantime?


The outcome of the Hyperion debacle is immaterial as far as I'm concerned.

The community has been passing around the kool-aid and thinking warm, happy thoughts for eons.

Hyperion simply doesn't have the resources to preserve the status quo, let alone move things forward. And every step of the way there are warning signs that are conveniently ignored.

This system has to be opened up or it will die.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Mar-2015 8:00:52
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This thread is way off track . . . Nuke It!

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A1200 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
Posted on 15-Mar-2015 8:05:04
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@matthey

I doubt you have a passport yet alone have visited Damascus. Whether someone is content or not because of a belief in a deity doesn't mean there's any truth in it. I may be conflicted in in many things in life but religions only cease any intrigue, they do not provide credible answers to currently unknown knowledge.

I have no less freedom as a non believer as you do as a believer, save for geographic location or race in various locations in the world. In fact it seems most people who are into one god or another are compelled to waste time worshiping the old man in the sky, I have no such constraints.

Have you ever wondered why you are a follower of Jesus as the truth and not Mohammed? Could it be you just happened to be born in a Christian country? So other religions are not the truth because of the belief of the region others happened to be born?

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

Sometimes I wish I could +1 a post.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@A1200

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I doubt you have a passport yet alone have visited Damascus.


I think he meant another man's trip to Damascus.

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pavlor 
Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@wolfe

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This thread is way off track . . . Nuke It!


This thread is on self-destruct course quite a time...


No wonder, until any real news appear.

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

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pavlor wrote:
@A1200

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I doubt you have a passport yet alone have visited Damascus.


I think he meant another man's trip to Damascus.

and a new religion was born due to his epileptic attacks...

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Re: Hyperion Entertainment bankrupt?
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@pavlor

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No wonder, until any real news appear.


i dont think there will be any news, as it was not intended to and only come out as accident in the first place, even as long as they were allowed to speak for themselves. simply because there can not be any good news coming. even if they could postpone bankruptcy, that they have been declared that, is bad enough. and if someone else will submit any information, it will be dismissed as fud as it has already been done.

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@ mods

This thread is getting tiring, why don't you lock it?

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