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EDanaII 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 21-Feb-2017 15:25:06
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Hmmm... I'm gonna take a S.W.A.G. and assume that SMP (and probably incompatibilities between the Linux and AROS) is what killed Anubis and this is the lesson's learned from that.

But, whether I'm right or wrong here, it's nice to see, just the same. :)

Edited to add: Actually, I meant ARIX, but... close enough. ;)

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ferrels 
Re: A week in AROS...
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@EDanaII


Anubis never even got off the ground so there was nothing to kill. ARIX on the other hand was actually real and worked on real hardware, albeit unstable and buggy. But for some reason all development on ARIX stopped almost immediately after it started. I believe it stopped because ARIX was nothing more than AROS hosted on Linux with most of the Linux bits removed, i.e. package manager, Linux desktop, etc....There are several much more robust and stable hosted versions of AROS out there so there was really no demand for another one that was much less stable

And yes, I do have a copy of ARIX laying around but it isn't worth wasting your time on it. It's too unstable and the hardware support is somewhat lacking. It refused to work with my laptop's trackpad but most other hardware worked. It was prone to lock up at any time without any warning as well.

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wawa 
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@ferrels

lets see how it rolls off this time.. so far its breaking 68k build in one place after the other, mercilessly ;)

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pavlor 
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Nice!

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ferrels 
Re: A week in AROS...
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@wawa

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lets see how it rolls off this time.. so far its breaking 68k build in one place after the other, mercilessly ;)


Are you referring to AROS or ARIX breaking things?

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wawa 
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Are you referring to AROS or ARIX breaking things?


this work in progress has broken my aros build since a week ;), but this is understandable. just managed to interim fix it here, hope it works before kalamatee does it properly.

so far i understand backwards compatibility is going to be maintained on 68k. who knows, perhaps we can have a support for future multicore 68k system if apollo team delivers apropriate cores ;P
nah, kidding..

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ferrels 
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@wawa

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me!

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terminills 
Re: A week in AROS...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dvlLRbNbd8&feature=youtu.be

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"AROS is prolly illegal ~ Evert Carton" intentionally quoted out of context for dramatic effect

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EDanaII 
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Nice...

@ ferrels

That's why it was a SWAG and not much else. ;)

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ferrels 
Re: A week in AROS...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dvlLRbNbd8&feature=youtu.be


Outstanding! I have high hopes of using AROS on x86_64 as an alternative OS but I also wonder if the ARM version also has SMP or is development lagging a bit there?

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wawa 
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@ferrels

i think arm will have multicore support all the same, even though there seems to be a bit less attention to it, which isnt that unexpected, given aros is mostly developed on x86/x64 and most of testing is carried out hosted on the same platforms. even when it comes to 68k under uae, while arm would have to be tested on its native hardware i suppose.

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paolone 
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Posted on 23-Feb-2017 15:42:16
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@ferrels

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Outstanding! I have high hopes of using AROS on x86_64 as an alternative OS but I also wonder if the ARM version also has SMP or is development lagging a bit there?


Once you adapt the system to be SMP compliant, it should be matter of writing the kernel part for ARM SMP support. But the real answer to you question, as like as for many others, is:

CODERS! CODERS! And again... CODERS!

Work that people expect to be done, can't be done if nobody does it. I would love to remind that AROS is a open architecture and everybody can contribute. There are dozens of amiga-skilled people out there and their contribution would make the difference. Like it or not, there's a open source 64-bit and SMP-almost-ready Amiga API compatible system which just needs some love. So why just complain and not help?

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ferrels 
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Posted on 23-Feb-2017 16:39:24
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Like it or not, there's a open source 64-bit and SMP-almost-ready Amiga API compatible system which just needs some love. So why just complain and not help?


I wasn't complaining. I was asking a valid question about ARM and SMP. Don't confuse my curiosity with complaining.

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Lou 
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I would like to run AROS on my Raspberry Pi 3b...w/SMP :)

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michalsc 
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@ferrels

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I also wonder if the ARM version also has SMP or is development lagging a bit there?


Development is lagging on RasPi a little, at least from my side. We will surely come back to it sooner or later, but the aim at the moment is to find and fix potential deadlocks and other bugs on x64 target. This is orders of magnitude easier in case of x86_64 version, where you can run AROS within virtual machine :)

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paolone 
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@michalsc
You and Nick are already doing "the impossible".

@Ferrels
I didn't mean you were complaining. That's more a "welcome aboard" invitation to anyone willing or potentially able to help.

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EDanaII 
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Posted on 23-Feb-2017 20:44:43
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I've always wanted to help with AROS, but the problem have always been two-fold. First, there's knowing how to get started, including the time it takes to get there. And, two, actually having the time to actually help. Notice the common theme. Time. I have plenty of other responsibilities, including my support for a WWII related Association.

I suspect this is the problem for many of us. :)

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wawa 
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@EDanaII

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I suspect this is the problem for many of us. :)


what? WWII? i hope its over by now?

getting around aros source must be pretty easy for a coder. i can explain it in few sentences. i think helping out might also not be so difficult. there is a number of little things coders might help with. my personal problem is that i know by now how to get around the source more less, but my programming abilities are still close to null, so i start things i cannot finish and let them be eventually.

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EDanaII 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 24-Feb-2017 2:11:14
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@wawa

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what? WWII? i hope its over by now?


Smarty pants!

I am a coder. I earn my living in software and I appreciate the learning curve that comes with any new project. Like I said, I'd love to do it, but the main constraint is time...

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wawa 
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@EDanaII

i could say something similar. perhaps the question is how to distribute the time rather than the lack of it. i think thats rather that we dont want hobby to interfere with the job too much. like im an artist and im really not to fond of painting icons or skins ;)

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