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Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 28-Feb-2017 23:54:51
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Please change the Subject to:

A thousand Years of...



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Re: A week in AROS...
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@PR
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thousand Years of...


yawn.. what? .. not being able to comprehend a word of what you post?

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Re: A week in AROS...
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Not a speaki english.

A week goes to months and they turn to years. My joke. Not intended to anyone. Just the topic.

Good things happen. Maybe trying it later.

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@PR

I think you don't understand the point of this thread, which is to give weekly updates on the development of AROS. Not sure what you are waiting for, the "Final Edition"? Software is rarely ever fully finished.

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Re: A week in AROS...
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Week of February 27th:
- Work on handling inter-processor interrupts continues (mschulz)
- Work on USB hosted driver continues (DizzyOfCRN)
- Fix for handling interrupts on x86_64 implemented (mschulz)
- ScreenMode preferences correctly writes default dimensions to configuration file (neil)
- Libraries loader is being modified to use new Exec locking mechanism (mschulz)
- Detection of menu item boundaries in pop-up menu mode has been corrected (neil)
- Fixes in task scheduling logic in x86_64 implemented (Kalamatee)
- Early boot lookup when configuring ACPI fixed (Kalamatee)
- x86_64 kernel no longer tries handling interrupts before it is setup (Kalamatee)
- Access to Task's message port is now SMP safe (Kalamatee)
- rexxsupport.library and C:ResList, C:DevList, C:LibList is now using new Exec locking mechanism (mschulz)
- Usage of new Exec locking mechanism is introduced to several modules (mschulz)
- AROS x86_64 kernel now calculates per-task CPU usage (mschulz)
- Redraws of MUI List class are optimized to execute only when content changed (Kalamatee)
- Selecting of sorting in SysMon has been fixed (Kalamatee)
- SysMon now displays per task CPU usage (Kalamatee)
- Work on supporting message signalled interrupts in AROS x86_64 kernel started (Kalamatee)
- ShowConfig shows more information about kernel version (Kalamatee)
- MUI List class is now fixed to redraw when dimensions change (Kalamatee)
- Signaling tasks on another CPU core is continues development (mschulz)
- SysMon now continues operating under heavy system load (Kalamatee)
- Trident no longer crashes when querying controller information (DizzyOfCRN)
- USB driver for Linux hosted AROS is now more efficient (DizzyOfCRN)
- AROS repository reached 54000 commits!

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@deadwood

Do any of the nightly builds have MP support?

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@ferrels

i dont think it is enabled just yet.

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Re: A week in AROS...
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Week of March 13th:
- Windows user port message list is now read protected while intuition iterates over it (Kalamatee)
- Timer's list is now protected in SMP scenarios (Kalamatee)
- AROS x86_64 SMP builds are now available on www.aros.org (Kalamatee)
- Bug in signalling CPU cores has been corrected (mschulz)
- Work on handling ACPI power button events has started (Kalamatee)
- Work on handling inter-processor interrupts continues (mschulz)
- Layout of SysExplorer has been corrected (Kalamatee)
- Workaround for keymaps crashing x86_64 AROS has been implemented (Kalamatee)
- Editor tool has been corrected to work under 64bit (Kalamatee)
- Crash when using Signal() in interrupts has been fixed (mschulz)
- AHI has been corrected to work under 64bit (Kalamatee)

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@kolla

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Software is rarely ever fully finished.


Then again, software usually gets out of beta before people start recommending it.
So...when will we see AROS implemented completely 100%?

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@deadwood


What are the proper settings to get SMP version of AROS running under VMWare? I'm trying to boot the smp-pc-x86_64-boot-iso dated March 18th but no matter my settings I get the following error:


VMWare AROS IRQ 96 Vecor Gate

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@iggy

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Then again, software usually gets out of beta before people start recommending it.
So...when will we see AROS implemented completely 100%?


I have a trivia for you: what do you think the motto "NO SCHEDULE and rocking" means, exactly?

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@iggy

Replace AROS with Windows and ask again.

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Re: A week in AROS...
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@kolla

Hardly comparable.
Although I am impressed with the current development rate.

@paolone

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what do you think the motto "NO SCHEDULE and rocking" means, exactly?


Actually, I always thought that was clever, considering who they were poking fun at.
And the development pace isn't THAT bad.

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when will we see AROS implemented completely 100%?


i bet, when transition to abi v1 has taken place and its declared stable. for 68k it is actually almost the case, other platforrms need to catch up ;)

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Don't waste your time trying to boot the smp-pc-x86_64-boot-iso. According to kalamatee, only the debug version boots even though the web site states otherwise:


Quote:
smp-pc-x86_64-boot-iso This is a highly experimental SMP build for pc-x86_64. Only recommended for Developers. This is a bootable CD-ROM ISO image."


I haven't received an answer as to when a bootable debug version will be available.

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@ferrels
i think really thast what they say, if you can build your target and can help with debugging or report issues to mailing list, then join in. but it isnt recommended for general public right now. things are supposed to be broken now and then and complaining about it doesnt help much, for itself.

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I'm not complaining and I understand all that but when someone posts a link to a bootable ISO you expect it to be a bootable ISO. Is that too much to expect? I was trying to inform others who are interested in AROS SMP to not waste hours on this ISO as I had done only to find out from Kalamatee that only the DEBUG versions of AROS SMP are bootable and they're not available for download. Therefore the ISO posted at sourceforge is useless to anyone who wants to conduct some tests.

This is what is still displayed at the nightly build download location:

Quote:
smp-pc-x86_64-boot-iso This is a highly experimental SMP build for pc-x86_64. Only recommended for Developers. This is a bootable CD-ROM ISO image.


So again, this ISO is not bootable so don't waste your time on it.

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@ferrels

after the news people were looking for a nightly, so its been made available even though its nit ready. good to keep eye on it, whoever is interested, but its a bit too soon.

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@ferrels

As stated on aros.org download page, about nightly builds:

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Nightly builds are done, as the name implies, every night, directly from the Subversion tree, and they contain the latest code. However, they have not been tested in any way and may contain bugs. Most of the time, though, they work just fine.


Many times they don't even boot. This has always happened with AROS nightlies, some times developers are already aware of the fact, some times this must be reported. Once upon a long ago we had also snapshots which were "selected nightlies", tested ones which worked plain good and gave users the chance to poke with the latest code. Once distributions were available, though, they've been seldom-to-no-more updated (since they consumed, for testing, time which could be reinvested into development). Feel free to report when you find a working or not working nightly, but don't just "expect" anything from them.

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@ferrels

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I'm not complaining and I understand all that but when someone posts a link to a bootable ISO you expect it to be a bootable ISO. Is that too much to expect? I was trying to inform others who are interested in AROS SMP to not waste hours on this ISO as I had done only to find out from Kalamatee that only the DEBUG versions of AROS SMP are bootable and they're not available for download. Therefore the ISO posted at sourceforge is useless to anyone who wants to conduct some tests.


The ISO was not bootable, indeed. The problem has been identified and fixed, so that text nightly build ISO should be a little more usable. If you will be trying it (best in VMWare or VirtualBox) don't forget to add "debug=serial" parameter.

Regarding the problem - there is an undefined behavior in gcc. When it finds a const symbol and there is a function using that symbol in the very same file, then gcc may optimize it away and, instead of referencing it, may put its value directly into a function. So far this is valid and, sometimes, reasonable optimization.

However, when gcc finds a const weak symbol, one would expect to not optimize it away, because during link time the weak symbol could be replaced by a strong symbol (if one is defined). Yet, the "strength" of an attribute is not part of the C standard and therefore there is no unified behavior for compilers. The gcc-6.3.0 (the one which I and Nick are using for development) does follow the rule and does not optimize access to weak symbols away (even const types). Unfortunately, gcc-4.6.4 (the one used for nightly builds) happily optimizes without considering "weak" attribute at all...

Btw. the same happens with clang up to the newest version. It seems to ignore weak attribute and applies all possible optimizations ;)

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