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OlafS25 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 21-Apr-2017 9:29:15
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@vision

yes it has to be recompiled anyway but I guess it would mean different sources, different from those compiled f.e. for X86 or ARM

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nikosidis 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 21-Apr-2017 11:38:44
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Regarding native Amiga programs I think it is much more than a recompile. Totaly different memory management that from what I understood would be almost impossible.
For SDL apps. and ports from Linux I guess it would be ok.

Does it matter that much If it would be possible to run 68k progs? It would be almost like native.
In the end I'm pretty sure it would be the right thing to do regarding future of AROS and
Amigalike OS. On top of that I'm sure we will see much more software.
People would look at AROS as an alternative when building software for whatever it is. Without memory protection I'm sure AROS is no alternative outside Amigaland. It is just stupid today to not have it.

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wawa 
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Posted on 21-Apr-2017 14:07:46
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@nikosidis

if you want to abandon every aspect of amiga, like shared memory space and messaging by pointers, (which isnt minor difference imho, but necessary for full memory protection as known from current oses) you would be left with linux like system and applications. i understand that you think, since aros has no native software, that it doesnt matter, but then why not take linux instead. because next you will need extensive hardware support, which means linux kernel and account/permission management.

in conclusion: take linux instead.

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vision 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 21-Apr-2017 21:49:18
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@nikosidis

Agree 110%

@wawa

You wanna live like it's 1985? fine by me. I respect that and I am an Amiga lover as much or more than anyone, but please respect also that some of us want to EVOLVE, and more important: secure that Amiga OS has a small chance of a future.

If some of you want to keep in the past and play with your Amigas as a hobby while it last, you can do it with your current hardware, but don´t try to cripple our attempts to modernize the system.

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wawa 
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@vision

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You wanna live like it's 1985?


no, not neccesarily. rather like 2014, since im writing this here from a surface pro tablet.

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but please respect also that some of us want to EVOLVE, and more important: secure that Amiga OS has a small chance of a future.


you are free to contribute to aros development, i do myself as far as my skills allow. however im not sure what future do you expect fir amiga or aros. considering the community attendance probably apollo/vampire project is our best bet.

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If some of you want to keep in the past and play with your Amigas as a hobby while it last, you can do it with your current hardware, but don´t try to cripple our attempts to modernize the system.


amiga is a hobby. like it or not. id love to see some results of your attempts. may i ask what are you working on?

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vision 
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Posted on 22-Apr-2017 0:12:37
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@wawa

I won´t bite the trap to take it personal (although I am in fact involved in aros development, but I don´t have to justify my oppinions because of that, everybody should be free to express their oppinion, whetever it is involved in the development of the osor not, because the os is not made just for its developers).

Please respect that some of us already opened our eyes and realized the os has to improve to survive. If you don´t wan it to survive, it's your perspective, but I think some day you will see it too.

Meanwhile, as I already said, improve the system shouln´t annoy you, cause you have plenty of hardware and os versions to enjoy yourself, but why you want us to desist in the development of system improvements? it's beyond any logic.

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wawa 
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@vision

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I won´t bite the trap to take it personal (although I am in fact involved in aros development, but I don´t have to justify my oppinions because of that, everybody should be free to express their oppinion, whetever it is involved in the development of the osor not, because the os is not made just for its developers).


so have i freely expressed an opinion, that memory protection likely wont be possible with shared memory space. you are more than welcome to prove me wrong.

if i ask, what project you are working on, it is genuine curiosity, because you said im somehow "crippling your attempts", so id simply like to know, what these attempts are. i certainly like aros to evolve, to have more skilled people like kal or michalsc working on this, though i simply couldnt recognize if i came across something that may be attributed to you.

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If you don´t wan it to survive, it's your perspective, but I think some day you will see it too.


it depends how you define survival. id say, aros is surviving moreless, mostly thanks to its open nature, while people come and go and its still is being worked on. meanwhile there were offshot projects with rather high stakes like anubis or arix, which do not seem to have survived as well, unfortunately.

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but why you want us to desist in the development of system improvements? it's beyond any logic.


i dont. i however would prefer the work and source to be kept shared across the platforms without too much forking. so how are you going to go around it?

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ntromans 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 25-Apr-2017 19:55:56
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Latest report, as collated by o1i:

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Week of April 18th to April 24th:

- build fixes (Kalamatee)
- Vpdf compiler warnings fixed (wawa)
- Vpdf German catalog added (pollux)
- MuiMine fixed for smp builds (Kalamatee)
- Amosaic/TinyIrc build fixes (wawa)

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ferrels 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 28-Apr-2017 5:43:55
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@ntromans

Seems to be some driver progress with AROS x64 SMP. I now have working audio under both VMWare and VirtualBox using the 2017-04-28 build. Hoping for networking drivers under my WM's soon. Great work!

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ntromans 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 3-May-2017 18:39:40
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Latest report collated by ol!:

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25.04.2017 - 01.05.2017:

- build fixes / improvements (Kalamatee)
- 68k semaphore fix (Kalamatee)
- ffmpeg fixes (Kalamtee)
- posix enhancements (Kalamatee)
- work on native git continues (Kalamatee)
- pthreads/bsdsocket conflict solved (Kalamatee)
- autodocs updated (mazze)

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ntromans 
Re: A week in AROS...
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Latest report collated by ol!:

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02.05.2017 - 08.05.2017:

- autodocs/webpage updated/fixed (mazze)
- posix enhancements (Kalamatee)
- work on native git continues (Kalamatee)
- adapt network driver code to recent utility.library changes (neil)

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ntromans 
Re: A week in AROS...
Posted on 16-May-2017 17:59:19
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Latest report collated by ol! with contribution by wawa:

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09.05.2017 - 15.05.2017:
- adapt code for const TagItem changes (neil)
- network card improvements (neil)
- debug build now stores debug info in .dbg files (Kalamatee)
- InitKickMemDiag fixed (twillen)
- Rom image size check added (Kalamatee)
- amiga-m68k rom fixes, a1200 should boot again (twilen)
- m68k rom size optimization (Kalamatee)
- cd-startup improvements (Kalamatee)
- add separate gifanim datatype descriptor)

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wawa 
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Posted on 16-May-2017 19:51:48
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@ntromans

a lot of 68k improvements this week. perhaps gdb debugging of 68k platform is moving within reach. many thanks to toni but especially to kalamatee for his time, especially 68k is not his preferred platform.

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wawa 
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Posted on 23-May-2017 13:34:01
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reposting from aros-exec:

16.05.2017 - 22.05.2017:

- gifanim datatype descriptor added (Kalamatee)
- autodocs updated (mazze)
- AddDataTypes target cpu awareness added (Kalamatee)
- cia.h defines added (Kalamatee)
- lowlevel.library m68k timer support added (Kalamatee)
- KrnIsSuper m68k optimized (twilen)
- m68k workarounds for bad software (Oktagon controller) added (twillen)
- m68k rom init fixes (twilen)
- developer files for InstallAROS fixed (neil)
- new mirrors for third party code added (neil)




...another load of 68k enchancements.

btw on other fora people report stuff working with aros, which i have not even expected to. apparently one can effectively use things like warpup or poseidon usb stack.

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