I switched on my Sam to check my mail and do some internetting. After reading my mail i tried to check some sites and then it happend.....

I got tired of it loading zo slow and not working cause of some scripts or whatever, then i just switched it off...... And grabbed my Windows phone to continu internetting because it is soooo much easier 😞

Damn, maybe it is time to move on..... I find myself using my tablet, my phone and win7 pc more and more because everything is easier and faster.

Why on earth would i use my amiga for internetting if my pc next to it or my phone in my pocket does it better and faster ??
Hell, my amiga even takes longer to boot........

Sorry.... Feeling a bit down.....

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@Metalheart
There is AROS running on a PC next to you.

Internet will get more and more demanding. Does OWB PPC has a javascript jit-compiler?

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@phoenixkonsole

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Does OWB PPC has a javascript jit-compiler?

No neither odyssey nor OWB have JIT.

OWB in partcular no runs very slow on certain sites, that don't seem very demanding on other platforms, I supect sme weird javascript loop, that is causing repeated rendering, some new tecnique that has caught on, and unfortunatly hits a week spot in OWB php documentation site is perfect example, another is reverbnation.

AWeb suffered from this when a lot of sites started using self compressing javascripts that decompressed in an eval loop, and due to bug I could never find garbage collection had to bee turned off in eval loops.

Oddly now AWeb is faster on those two sites because they stopped using the compression, but are well design to fall back gracefully (structured rather than pretty ofcourse).

er I'm, digressing.

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@Metalheart

There more tro do with a computer than interneting Listen to music, create artworks, etc etc

I have my linux laptop for dealing with amiga unfriendly websites, but mainy for em that only means facebook, and youtube when I need to log in.

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@Metalhart & broadblues

Listen to broadblues. If you are trying to use your Amiga as your primary computer I admire your effort but I guess it is a source of a lots of frustration. We need an updated OS and a lot better utility programs (such as Office programs) to make that truly possible.

I use my Amiga when I have time to spare or simply need to relax from Windows as it is the most frustrating OS ever made. I feel totally in control when using AmigaOS. That can't be said about many other OS:es.

@broadblues

Yes..... But almost everything is easier and faster on Windows pcs.
I cant name anything that works better on Aos at this moment from the top of my mind.

But im feeljng a bit down right now, so mayby thats the problem....

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@Niolator

Indeed. Agree..... But even if we have an office packages it likely will be slower or harder to use or have missing features...

Hardware is to slow, os features missing, apllications missing or not up to date to todays demands....

Ah well. Just wanted to point out that for me it is easier to grab my phone or boot op Wkndows....

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@Metalheart

You forget X1000 and the coming X5000. I am fighting hard to put away money to be able to buy a X5000 when it is released.

@Metalheart

I agree with you but, like many others, I use my OS4 system as main computer.

But true, it's a game to use an outdated system everyday.

Certainly like guys that like to drive some old, expensives, slow and unconfortables cars or motos. Wait... It's exactly like our Amiga

If you don't like to play this game, it should be a lot of frustration...

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@Metalheart

Guru Meditate somewhere in the Dutch mountains

Things can only get better from here on, and we'll eventually reach that point that it is good enough to be 100% independent of other platfroms.

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@Trewq

Lol. Youre right 😊

But i always went to great lengths to use my amiga for evrrything. And ran into lots of lkmitations. But went on using it anyway with workarounds to get the job done.
Then i started using my pc for thing that realy were a pain on os4. But it didnt stop there any these days i only boot it up to check my mail. And even that doesnt do the job very well. For html mail as an example.

It is just to frustrating.

And for other reasons im not doing any fun stuff anymore on computers.

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@Metalheart

Ok, a real pain on the ass on my phone is that stupid onscreen keyboard that just keeps mistyping things.... 😊

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@Metalheart

Well sad to say it I know how you feel, I don't own an Amiga anymore, I would have loved to have played around with the X1000 but the costs of this hobby have become too prohibative, I can't justify over £2000 when my 16Gb dual quad 3 Ghz Xeon PC cost less than £300 to set up. OK agreed it TAKES 8 cores at 3Ghz to give a great Windows experience, Firefox loads in a split second and I am reading my emails in less than 5 seconds.

I've had a blast supporting the Amiga, travelled the UK filming various events, two trips to Sweden and a trip to Germany, and I will never forget that.

A computer to me is a tool to do a job, sadly Amiga no longer fulfills that role.

I'm not knocking anyone who still gets enjoyment / use out of their Amigas, good luck to you and long may it continue

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@Metalheart

I use my Powerbook with MorphOS as primary system and cannot say it's too limited for a convenient web usage. Odyssey is sometimes slow on a few sites, but generally it's not slow and very capable. But of course i wouldn'd say no to beefier hardware, though.
And I very rarely hit sites that do not work with Odyssey. I thought that except for the inbuild media player Oddysey OS4 would be virtually the same ( it's a port from a rather current MorphOS version).

The everyday limiation that annoys me (and is the reason I need to use Windows or OS X , too) is the lack of a decent and compatible office suite. I am quite eager to hear about some OOo progress, but after the timberwolf debacle (slow, crashy and sources not published) I better don't expect anything out of that effort.

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@broadblues

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No neither odyssey nor OWB have JIT.

I guess the real issue here is, that PowerPC doesn't have javascript JIT compiler. I guess some existing JIT compiler could be added to OWB relatively easily, but then that would be X86-only.

@Jupp3

isn't bigfoot working on one? looking forward to that on my peg2.

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If you're trying to use AOS for todays computing tasks, then you're going to run into problems. Pretty obvious really. Even 68k can do better than AOS. AOS is a dead end, period.

I use my Amiga for things that are fun to do with it, such as program in assembly language. Not much fun to be had on the peecee in asm. Serious software development can be interesting on 68k, because of the speed limitations (challenge).

There's plenty of things that could run well, but don't, because the software simply isn't good enough, nor optimized enough. What does it really take to do HTML+CSS? Ten million cores at 80 exa hertz? Doubt it very much, Is there anything that's even remotely optimal? Of course not. What's being done about it? NOTHING. People just complain.

Real Amiga hardware forms one of the best retro platforms, and has much unused potential. Pretty sad, really.

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That's definitively not true. Eight cores for Windows, LOL. My low end dual core AMD 3400 APU without multithreading can run Windows 8 at a usable speed in Virtual Box on just ONE core.

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@Metalheart

Aside from my A1, I've got a little retro zoo going on here. I've got a few SGIs, an Acorn RISC PC, my C64c and a original C64 breadbin, plus, of course, the obligatory A1200s, A600s and a towered A4000D/060. I've also got non-retro and retro PCs and Macs floating around. Most of them can emulate (or run the OS) of at least one of the others. Obviously, this gives me an "in" for AROS and MorphOS, too. Don't even start me on my mobile/tablet collection.

The Internet (or rather, the WWW) has been the near-exclusive, unchallenged domain of the modern x86/x64 set for over 10 years now. It's no wonder, really, that 99% of my kit - or anything that isn't designed to go into that space - can't or won't be optimal there.

Pick the right tool for the job, and you can't go far wrong. Some things will flow better for you on a PC, some on a Mac, some under OS4, maybe Linux for others, etc. etc. etc. I used to use my A1 exclusively for mail until I got my Mac Mini, and right up until I left university I was using my A4000 with YAM.

The only reason I don't use the A1 for mail now, is that I like to tinker with it in ways that mean I wouldn't want to rely on it being in a stable state for mail.

Your Sam is a solid little box that can just tick along without sounding like a wind tunnel or overheating the room, fetching mails and doing other little tasks outside the domain of mobile devices that you might want it for. I'd appreciate it for that.

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