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zzd10h 
Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
Posted on 6-Apr-2015 14:19:28
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@Spectre660

Ah yes, you are right the current AMIStore version is 1.8.

Me, I have downloaded the 1.9 the first day of availability.


Hans is the 1.9 bugged ?


Thank you

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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@TRIPOS

I is know n fact that Warp3D is slow in comparison to MorphOS 3D drivers. Mind this is only first release with plenty of space for improvements (as ponted by author of these drivers on Amigans.net).

Quote:
Is someone really charging money for this? It can't possibly be ready for end user release, or?


30+ FPS in 1600x1200 is enough for good eperience:

Sam460ex - Radeon HD7750
Quake3

640x480 - 37.8 FPS
800x600 - 32.9 FPS
1024x768 - 31.6 FPS
1280x1024 - 29.9 FPS
1600x1200 - 28.4 FPS

Source


As you see it is cca 30 FPS in every resolution.

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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@pavlor

My old (lovly) pegasos2 1.26 ghz and 9800pro with Mos

Quake3 1280x1024x32 33,9 fps


This was with pegasos2 1.0 ghz and Ati Radeon 9250 128bit 128mb with Os4

Quake3 1280x1024 AmigaOs4 == 16.3 fps


but remember guys warp3d on RadeonHD come from little and will be better optimized ... we know Hans is a great and im sure will do the best of the best for our pcie amiga

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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@zzd10h

I got only 1.8.
I was a few days in holidays. Maybe i missed something

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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@tommysammy

On the day of release, there was a v1.9 downloadable, i still got it installed.
A day later the AmiStore informed me (still not via eMail, i might add) that an update has been posted, which resulted in a v1.8 being downloaded.

So, i'm as puzzled as you are as to what has happened or what the reasons behind this is.

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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Is someone really charging money for this? It can't possibly be ready for end user release, or?


I believe that it does do what it says on the tin, Warp3D isn't fast on AmigaOS 4 in its currect state I believe, very outdated.

So thats up for A-EON to improve Warp3D its self and Hyperion to implement Gallium3D.

The driver is more for compatibility and convenients than monster performance.

Tho that doesn't stop me from buying a 5450 when the Evergreen driver comes out

Even when it makes minimal difference, if someting can be better, I want it.
My wallet doesn't like me

So, could anyone tell me if I can use a AGP card for U-boot and a Radeon HD in the 66mhz slot for AmigaOS ? (AmigaOne XE)

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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@Trewq

Drivers are really important ... i was write before ... On LinuxPPC-Gallium i have on my G5 Quad 150 fps on Quakegl ... on MacOsX PPC 870 fps .
The MacOsx drivers was made by Ati-Nviida ... on LinuxPPc by the community ...
The Ati Catalysts and Nvidia Cuda fglx was did by the manifacturer for linux x86 and are much more near the windows/Osx performances .
Drivers are the key for the performances... im pretty sure the X1000 will be much better in Quake 3 compared my G5 in performances because the last video board and the fastest pcie bus

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
Posted on 6-Apr-2015 20:58:44
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@zzd10h

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Hans is the 1.9 bugged ?


No it was a beta version released in error. The Fully tested version is 1.8.

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Thank you, I was lucky then !

I removed the 1.9 changelog in my previous post

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
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@geit

So what ? What is you problem ? You think that insulting will make you better ?
Did you eat something that make you ill to be in such a bad mood ?

CoW3D was made to make a better test program for Warp3D than the old "WarpTest"

It is only a test program

1) Not not aware of multi graphic boards.
Yes I know that but certainly you dont know (as you dont seem to know much about Warp3D coding) that Warp3D dont allow to choose a driver nor a graphic card
So if you know so well Warp3D so let us explain a method to select a card & driver

2) W3D_SetTexEnv with an envcolor but no W3D_BLEND.
As Hans said (BTW thanks Hans ) this is absolutely not a problem if you understand a few how Warp3D or Wazp3D works : I mean the useless but valid envcolor is just ignored in this case

3) W3D_DrawElement() on OS4 ==> faster : in code should not be used for any compares between systems.

This one need some explanations
W3D_DrawElement() is the recommended function for drawing stuff [ versus old functions like W3D_DrawTriangle() ] as it draw several triangles per call

But using it the same way as for Warp3D v4 for OS3 was simply not working on Warp3D v5 for OS4
So the first Cow3D versions for OS4 didnt used W3D_DrawElement()
Then I discovered that we MUST use W3D_InterleavedArray() to also use W3D_DrawElement() on OS4

So the release note was just meaning that "now the OS4 version use W3D_DrawElement() like the OS3 one"

BTW despite the fact that W3D_DrawElement() W3D_DrawArray() are the recommended function for drawing stuff it is unclear if they are faster (seems slower on some machines?) so i have let the option to select 't' triangle or 'e' element

>All the same or nothing.
Morphos dont have Warp3D v5 support so cant be the same
But we already know that Morphos 3D is faster : perhaps it was made from reverse engineering from MacOS or Linux proprietary 3D drivers


Alain Thellier - Cow3D, Wazp3D, Microbe3D and other braindead 3D things


























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Posted on 6-Apr-2015 23:15:16
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Don't feel insulted by the "braindead" thing. It was not Geit who called you braindead, but he cited the debug routine that uses, well, a rather rude tone. The debug output spilled out the text with the "braindead" words. Geit was just reporting how it behaves under MorphOS and what hints the OS debug routines provides how the code could be changed.

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Posted on 7-Apr-2015 5:49:23
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@tlosm

According to your Quakegl benchmark, osx is 6 times faster then Gallium...I think we can forget high framerates with Gallium if it ever comes out imho.

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@thread

Just a note:
Even when it's fun to point out how "my numbers are bigger than yours", the important thing in 3D driver development is to provide good gaming experience (/application performance) all around.

I imagine I'm satified if the SW does not mess up my system and delivers faster rate than my eyes can detect. (this is between 20 and 30fps for my eyes)

((The only 3D game I play nowdays is tanki online. On linux it plays best on chrome web browser and with NVidia display card. On a AMD64x2 (2Ghz) + GF7600 + LinuxMintCinnamon17 it runs at around 10...20fps, when 1/3 of fullHD is used. A little too slow to be nice. (at the same time, on AMD FX4300, it plays fast enough even with only SW rendering). + Our tablet with baytrail 1,3Ghz SoC plays at around 25fps when in fullHD & win8))

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Re: Blow my 9250 away! Show your RHD Southern Islands Warp3D benchmarks!
Posted on 7-Apr-2015 9:47:23
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I was curious and checked under my Sam 460ex 1.15Ghz with Radeon X1950 and MorphOS 3.8 and I got 102.1 fps in 1280x1024, with all settings set to the max.

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Rob 
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I was curious and checked under my Sam 460ex 1.15Ghz with Radeon X1950 and MorphOS 3.8 and I got 102.1 fps in 1280x1024, with all settings set to the max.


Nice.

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> So what ? What is you problem ? You think that insulting will make you better ?
> Did you eat something that make you ill to be in such a bad mood ?

It was not my intention to insult anyone. I just informed about issues when using Cow3D as a benchmark utility.

As it contains multiple binaries for multiple systems, it is used to check the systems 3D speed and it was already used in several threads with "benchmark" in the topic I felt responsible to inform people about the issues I see in using Cow3D for this specific purpose.

In fact I also pointed out to use quake for performing proper benchmarks between systems.

> Alain Thellier - Cow3D, Wazp3D, Microbe3D and other braindead 3D things

No clue if that is your standard footer, but I never called your stuff braindead. I just posted 1:1 what the MorphOS 3D driver dumpes into the log and could have some impact on the speed. As I was told in this thread, it probably has not, but users (like me) may get confused by this line in log.

Again, I just wanted to point out issues happening with the MorphOS Port and the official 68K version to prevent any "Your MorphOS port of the benchmark is broken" reports.

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@pampers

Very nice.



Quote:

pampers wrote:
I was curious and checked under my Sam 460ex 1.15Ghz with Radeon X1950 and MorphOS 3.8 and I got 102.1 fps in 1280x1024, with all settings set to the max.

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@geit

Ok case closed for me
(I didnt know that "braindead" come from a log)

If cow3D was used it is because it is a pure Warp3D program
Other programs like Quake use MiniGL (that use Warp3D as renderer to the end...)

So when using Quake you benchmark MiniGL+Warp3D
and when using cow3D you benchmark Warp3D

And we are on a thread about "Warp3D benchmarks..."

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Why do you want to compare doom3 with quake3?

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@pampers

Do you mean that with Release 3.8 of MorphOS will be introduced support for Sam460?

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