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Re: End of Moobunny Posted on 14-Apr-2015 6:26:19
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How many would be interested in a completely open, as in unmoderated, Amiga related forum? |
Not me. moobunny made it clear how much they hated us, now we're suppost to invite them into out house?_________________ Hate tends to make you look stupid... |
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 14-Apr-2015 6:40:44
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Touché
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Re: End of Moobunny Posted on 14-Apr-2015 6:43:18
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I wouldn't go as far as comparing this forum to an outhouse. We haven't sunk that low yet. _________________ All the way, with 68k |
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Re: End of Moobunny Posted on 14-Apr-2015 8:52:30
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 14-Apr-2015 9:05:27
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unmoderated would be illegal (at least where I live) because when f.e. rumors are spread that harm a company or hurt the right of individuals. What I disliked at moobunny was the personal insulting stuff there, you can discuss about topics and have different views but you must not insult persons.
Or one person made a post like:
"AmigaOS is rubbish" and then no explanation why then another one answered: "MorphOS is dead" (again no explanation)
and so on
that is child level, i expect that from childs at the age of 6 or 7 but not from adults Last edited by OlafS25 on 14-Apr-2015 at 09:08 AM.
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 14-Apr-2015 10:13:40
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Re: End of Moobunny Posted on 14-Apr-2015 10:28:27
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Don't know why the Amiga attracts so many mentally ill people. Yes I include you among them. I doubt any one from moobunny hates you and I doubt anyone would hate you even if you actually were someone of relevance. Most hatred in the Amiga sphere comes from name worshipers not liking people* pointing out lies, exaggerations and hypocrisy.
(* including trolls - yes even those that tell the truth can be trolling)
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 14-Apr-2015 13:35:39
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Illegal? That's interesting. I mean, I'm not oblivious to the concepts of slander and libel , but that somehow it extends to a public forum is, well, interesting.
I'm of the firm conviction that if a person wishes to express "AmigaOS is rubbish" then he or she should have a place where they can say that. And he or she should feel that an explanation is optional.
I've been toying around with a new online forum model and was wondering if this might be a good first test case, that's all.
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 14-Apr-2015 13:39:07
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I've been toying around with a new online forum model and was wondering if this might be a good first test case, that's all. |
Or you could contact the old crew and debate with them whether there has been enough news in the intervening time to do at least one more episode of AmigaRoundTable.
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 14-Apr-2015 13:48:21
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I mean something like "company xyz is cheating their customers". If people read that it can do a lot of harm to a company so of course you have to remove it. Or call for hurting someone and publish the adress and so on.
Saying "AmigaOS is rubbish" is not illegal, perhaps without explanation not very intelligent and convincing but not illegal. And "unmoderated" means to me noone is moderating.
And regarding "AmigaOS is rubbish", I would wait for "because" there. And on Moobunny many postings were without "because". Last edited by OlafS25 on 14-Apr-2015 at 01:50 PM.
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 15-Apr-2015 9:55:20
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That would be nice, alas I don't think Rich has any Amiga energy left in him. _________________ All the way, with 68k |
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Why "open" doesn't work.. Posted on 15-Apr-2015 11:35:32
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How many would be interested in a completely open, as in unmoderated, Amiga related forum? |
Unfortunately, this thread is a good example of why "unmoderated" doesn't work, and it's not related to the Amiga, it's community, or any of the users involved. It's universal.
This thread started out talking about Moobunny going offline. Solid subject, and it's why I popped in (the thread was here and not elsewhere, no sense starting another somewhere else).
Then, someone decided to pop in and start laying down a layer of flame. I -- being the idiot I can be -- walked right into it and started flailing about, making things worse, and definitely taking the subject off-topic. For that, I apologize. Mea Culpa.
That being said, my point is -- as someone who has moderated various forums and sites for nearly 20 years now -- anonymity (even if you attach a pseudonym to it) breeds immaturity. It promotes childishness and the feeling that you can say anything, insult anyone, do whatever you want and get away with it because at the end of the day, no one knows who you are, and no one can show up on your doorstep to hold you accountable for your actions...
In the 80's and 90's, we didn't really have the Internet. We had user groups. User groups were usually small, isolated bands of people who gathered for a common interest. If someone like our most notorious troll showed up and started acting the way he does anonymously, they were pretty much shunned and ignored, and left on their own accord...
The Internet however doesn't work that way. You can't simply ignore a moron and expect them to get the hint. They just keep hammering away until someone -- in the previous example, me -- bites off on the bait, then they really get started.
No, "open, unmoderated" simply doesn't work...
The trouble is finding a balance between "open unmoderated" and "arsehole nazi moderation", and -- as experience has taught me -- there's no real clear line that a moderator can walk, because different people interpret different things completely differently than each other.
Years and years ago, what some of you saw as me being a {bleep} when running Amiga.org, others appreciated because I they realized that I was simply trying to keep things from going "totally Moobunny" (to use the name as an adjective)...
So no, I might hover, but opening up another free range Moobunny for the trolls to play in doesn't hold any real interest at all.
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Re: Why "open" doesn't work.. Posted on 15-Apr-2015 11:58:14
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In that light, John S tried an interesting experiment (one of many) in the last few weeks of the Moo:
Don't remove the comment, don't ban the troll, don't lock the thread: just lock the comment to prevent replies.
A determined person can still get round it of course, but after writing the response, filling in captcha, and then hitting reply - to then be presented with a 'replies to this message are blocked'... It's much more effective than blocking replies earlier in the process, since the responder has already 'vented' (albeit privately), and then has to actively circumvent the blocking, disrespecting the reason that block was put in place in the first place... It really makes you think again!
No one fix will solve the problem, but I thought this was a great strategy to reduce the impact (at least of a single troll, although might not work so well if there are multiple arseholes intent on a flamewar). _________________ Troll - n., A disenfranchised former potential customer who remains interested enough to stay informed and express critical opinions. opp., the vast majority who voted silently with their feet. |
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Re: Why "open" doesn't work.. Posted on 15-Apr-2015 12:19:36
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That actually sounds like a great idea, limiting replies to a comment...
The problem I see with it is that John, or a moderator, or someone, would still have to spend hours and hours of every single day reading, proofing, then locking every comment or reply to every thread, and that in itself is incredibly exhausting.
Such a thing makes a moderator pretty much want to give up (which, I suspect, is how Moobunny got where it ended up, and why Amigawiki.com just turned off user submissions altogether...)
Back on topic, I do hope that John gets it all sorted and doesn't really give up. I just don't see how something useful might be possible without some sort of user registration system.
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Re: Why "open" doesn't work.. Posted on 16-Apr-2015 8:07:14
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Perhaps unmoderated was a poor choice of terms. With existing forum engines I can see how such a function is imperative.
What I meant to imply is more like self-moderated or auto-moderated.
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 20-Apr-2015 0:09:33
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number6 wrote: @agami
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How many would be interested in a completely open, as in unmoderated, Amiga related forum? |
Due to the time constraints of the remaining staff, you basically just posted on such a forum. (evil grin)
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Well not entirely But yes many of the staff do have a lack of free time at this moment in time due to work and other real life issues.
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Having just read over several ARs relating to this thread, I am just going to say this once - keep it on topic, keep it clean and let's not use this site to air old laundry. This really will be my only statement on the matter. Next time there will just be restrictions issued.
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Much as we would all just like to allow things to essentially be unmoderated, history proves that it is a pipe dream that is unworkable in practice. Some people are just inherently prone to being rude and abusive and will bring things to a head very quickly. We try to keep moderation to a minimum, but when members keep going off the rails, there isn't much else that we can do aside from moderate those posts.
If you do go down that route, well all I can say is I wish you luck (as generally setting up, running and maintaining a site is a thankless task, and no matter how much you try not to, you will annoy someone at some point)._________________ Test sig (new) |
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 1-Jul-2017 16:15:41
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Another slow day, so...although not brand new, I did find this:
http://www.moobunny.org/
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 19-Oct-2017 21:02:26
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Do you miss the Moo?
From their twitter:
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Thinking vs. believing. Fake news and opportunistic Commodore & Amiga “friends” are not my friends! |
Seems some of the info is taken from AW news sources, so it's not quite what you're thinking. heh.
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 19-Oct-2017 23:40:54
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Yes, 'illegal'? Not in the US. Maybe some of you all favor censorship, and I find some obnoxious posters irritating, but I find today obsession with political correctness to be OH so more so. _________________ Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective" |
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Re: Get A Life Wayne... Fer Gawds Sake... Posted on 20-Oct-2017 5:46:32
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Moobunny without John Shepard it is just as like if Apple had had called Durian the Macintosh...
The fact the mail to contact the guy is "ibeapple@gmail.com" then also makes the whole new moobunny affair just stinking right as a durian fruit...
Moobunny was a great Amiga scandalistic, innuendo and gossips site. Now it is just a joke for a macholic dandy not even related to Amiga and from its presentation lines he seems IMHO just aiming to make some users abandon the platform.
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