Good news for MOS Team. Unfortunately Hyperion is loosing the argument "sure, you have cheap hw but we support new, modern hw"
...and it doesn't matter anymore that blue camp spreaded very bad opinions aboout SAM460, X1000 and X5000

Overall, there won't be more sales because generally, MOS users want everythig cheap or for free*
Thats AmigaOS users who buys expensive hw and some of them will try MOS.

*Judging about opinions about hw, Amistore, etc.

BTW. ...and as always, posts like "MOS better supports X5000 than AOS" start to appear

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@mr2
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Overall, there won't be more sales because generally, MOS users want everythig cheap or for free*

Nice strawman!

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@sundown

Really good news!

I hope MorphOS will support newer GFX cards than R500 as X5000 will be shipped with much more recent cards.

@mr2

then Hyperion (and supporters) have to work harder to get on the same level. It is called "competition" and "market"

I guess MOS team should develop a Radeon hd solution, as an example I have Radeon R7 265 both in my X5000 and Sam 460 like many other users

P.s.: I am also a registered Morphos user with powerbook G4

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@mr2

I think it's time to review your judgements. I have both Sam460 and X5000 and they weren't either free or cheap.

And I see nothing wrong with benchmarking MorphOS and AmigaOS on the same hardware, do you?

@geit

That makes total sense.

Anyone who who isn't interested in Morphos may now be able to pick up a 2nd hand X1000 a bit cheaper, from someone who is interested in Morphos and wants to sell on to buy an X5000.

Still win win all round.

Cheers

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@OlafS25

...and vice versa (see new radeons support)

@pampers

Sure you can find several MOS users interested. You are very active in promoting MOS and while there is less and less old Macs to support its very rational decision.
I think many of you should review a judgement about overpriced, underpowered (weaker than Efika) mobos which were produced to rip off the community, too.

All in all. MOS support for SAM460 and X5000 leads to question how a cooperation between AEon and Hyperion looks now?
AmigaOS supports only expensive and very expensive hw while MOS has now cheap and old or expensive and new.

BTW. Nothig wrony in benchmarking unless one starts post "how incompetent OS4 devs are"

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@mr2

I don't recall using expresion like "ripping off community" in relation to A-EON's hardware prices. I do agree that X1000 is just too expensive. About being underpowered, looks like it's all about what software do you install. But it's a fact that old macs are just faster in many aspects. You cannot argue with that.

At the end A-EON is a hardware manufacturer so I don't see any reason to worry about co-operation between A-EON and Hyperion. Overall both companies want to sell their products. For A-EON having two operating systems will be just adventage. For Hyperion it should be (in my opinion) good reason to improve their product.

@sundown

Well,

Both products need lots of improving. How is hardware support on MorphOS vs OS4, is there enough overlap in support for gfx cards etc that a dualboot system with good support by both OSes is possible?

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@kolla

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, is there enough overlap in support for gfx cards etc that a dualboot system with good support by both OSes is possible?

Sadly no. R500 GFX cards seem to be choice of MorphOS Team for AmigaOne 500/X5000. Most users probably have HD4000 or newer. Warp3D for OS4 supports some HD7000 and Rx 2x0 cards, A-eon is working also on support for HD5000/6000 cards. That is why mentioned need for drivers for more recent cards.

@pavlor

I think that unless the Warp3D drivers for Radeon HD5000 and HD6000 are released soon then
the majority of Amiga OS 4.1 users on the newer machines will switch to the HD7000 or R-200 series cards, shifting the balance in the userbase. Morphos might want to deploy a fast track approach towards
support for the HD7000 and R7-200 series if they have not started on that allready.

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pavlor wrote: @kolla Quote: , is there enough overlap in support for gfx cards etc that a dualboot system with good support by both OSes is possible? Sadly no. R500 GFX cards seem to be choice of MorphOS Team for AmigaOne 500/X5000. Most users probably have HD4000 or newer. Warp3D for OS4 supports some HD7000 and Rx 2x0 cards, A-eon is working also on support for HD5000/6000 cards. That is why mentioned need for drivers for more recent cards.

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@pavlor
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Sadly no. R500 GFX cards seem to be choice of MorphOS Team for AmigaOne 500/X5000.

That's pure speculation and also plain wrong. There's no such choice. They simply demo their ports with their best supported videocards at the time, which is the R500 series for these machines.

Last time the Sam460 port was demoed earlier this year, it was told the reason to delay the next release, because the MorphOS Team wants to support graphics cards which are in Sam460 users' machines, which are mostly RadeonHDs. Additionally, basic RadeonHD driver for MorphOS was also demoed. This has little to do with what was used during a techdemo.

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@Chain-Q

Good to know they are heading this direction. MorphOS port for SAM460 without proper support for Radeon HD would be too much crippled.

@sundown

I always thought the X1000 would have been a good candidate for MorphOS as CFE is almost exactly like SmartFirmware.

@Hillbillylitre

BTW AmigaOS4 is a real AmigaOS compiled from source. And why does it need to go beyond 32-bit single core? That wouldn't be a real AmigaOS as AmigaOS never supported that. No point going beyond as you would come back and say, "Oh no, that's not a real AmigaOS. AmigaOS is an OS stuck in the 90's, 32-bit and single core for me only please!"

And FWIW, the MorphOS API goes to great lengths to duplicate the AmigaOS ABI, when calling Amiga functions. I know where the fiction is.

@pampers

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@mr2 I don't recall using expresion like "ripping off community" in relation to A-EON's hardware prices.

Some people like to slap a label on and assume that everyone they've given that label says the same things and behaves the same way.

@TiredofLife

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TiredofLife wrote: @sundown I suppose if the differences between the X1000 and X5000 are not too great, maybe.

The differences between the X1000 and X5000 are HUGE, practically every single aspect of it is different. The only thing that would make it MORE different would be if the X5000 would have been X86 or ARM instead of PPC. Well not quite, but almost!

@NutsAboutAmiga

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @sundown If this helps bring the X5000 price down then this is good.

It won't. How could it?