@Hillbillylitre

As said by the definitive expert. Why don't you do one?

Rude!

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@Rudei

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say but the Amiga was about the hardware and the software, so the most logical is AmigaOS up to 3.9 simply because it has both the software and hardware while all the other three have neither.

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@Hillbillylitre

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because it has both the software and hardware while all the other three have neither.

4.x runs on A1200/3000/4000, same for MorphOS 1.4.5 and AROS 68k.

@pavlor

AmigaOS4 and MorphOS runs only on PPC expansion cards and turn off the 68060/040 processor and must therefore emulate the Amiga computer on the Amiga computer, so AmigaOS4 and MorphOS isn't more Amiga than my x86 AmigaTwo and WinUAE. It has also a software library similar to the real Amiga unlike the so-called NG solutions.

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@Hillbillylitre

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emulate the Amiga computer on the Amiga computer

As I wrote in another reply to you (!), only 68k CPU is emulated, chipset is useable as in OS3.9 (eg. you can run OS4 on ECS/AGA only, use Paula for music, access floppy disk etc.) - speaking about OS4 here.

@pavlor

I wonder how many of these ~15000 Demos and ~3500 Games that can run without emulation in AmigaOS4

http://www.lemonamiga.com/games/
http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?platform[]=Amiga+AGA&page=59
http://www.pouet.net/prodlist.php?platform[0]=Amiga+OCS%2FECS&page=13

~0.000000000000001%?

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@Hillbillylitre

Most of these demos and games don´t even run on the one and only Amiga (A1000).

@Hillbillylitre

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AmigaOS4 and MorphOS runs only on PPC expansion cards and turn off the 68060/040 processor and must therefore emulate the Amiga computer on the Amiga computer

It doesn't have to emulate an Amiga and certainly doesn't by default.

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so AmigaOS4 and MorphOS isn't more Amiga than my x86 AmigaTwo and WinUAE.

Can you run an Amiga application directly from Windows without loading UAE? Do 68k Amiga applications use the Windows GUI and drawing functions directly? Can you pass messages between Amiga 68k and Windows programs via Arexx port?

@Hillbillylitre

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and turn off the 68060/040 processor

Yes because the 68040 25Mhz Is so slow.

While the 68060 50Mhz CPU is not bad, Petunia JIT can easy give you the same speed, and in some cases better speed. AmigaOS4.x is native on the PowerPC and every system library and device runs faster then they do on the old slow 680x0 chips.

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and must therefore emulate the Amiga computer

CPU is not the computer, it's the brain of the computer. And the 680x0 chips are just too slow, and outdated.

Unless you just wont to play games at orignal speed, your better of replacing that old brain, with a newer more powerful brian.

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WinUAE. It has also a software library similar to the real Amiga unlike the so-called NG solutions.

AmigaOS3.x:

A old software library that is not designed for modern day and age, limited 64 or 256 colors (Or HAM that is blurry and slow.), and low resolutions, old picture formats no one use anymore, and programs that is not designed to take advantage of CPU's faster then 25 Mhz. Limited to file-names no longer then 32 chars, files can't be larger then 2Gb.

AmigaOS4.x

NG, stands for Next Generation, what that means is improvements that enables new programs to be written, that allows you to do things you can do on Linux, Mac and Windows. But on AmigaOS4.x instead, sure it can't compete, but AmigaOS4.x is nice hotrod, looks like a old Classic, Drives like a pimped Classic, but is lot faster, but not as fast as modern racing car.

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@Rob

Is it not just a positive thing that you can use the Amiga GUI inside WinUAE instead of Windows own?


I think you can share clipboard between WinUAE and Windows and you can share all the drives between Workbench and Windows. But this is only the software side, if you have interest in the Amiga hardware too is a real machine preferable and I see absolutely no necessity nor point in neither AmigaOS4 or any of the so-called NG solutions.

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simply the one(s) you get the most enjoyment out of using it on a regular basis. For me they include OS1.3, OS3.1, OS3.9 and OS4.1FE

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@Hillbillylitre

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necessity nor point in neither AmigaOS4 or any of the so-called NG solutions.

You may try OS4 in WinUAE...

@NutsAboutAmiga

Most of the Amiga software is designed for the available hardware resources on the Amiga so therefore is the software running fine and smoothly on the Amiga without any PPC.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

The speed of the processor is irrelavent (though increases are ofcourse beificial) , OS4 classic emulates the 68k becuase the emutaion running on the PPC chip can multitask as am amiga should do with no context switches. Context switches are expensive.

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@Hillbillylitre

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Most of the Amiga software is designed for the available hardware resources on the Amiga so therefore is the software running fine and smoothly on the Amiga without any PPC.

Right, because 3d software, painting software, animation software, word procesing software, spreadsheet software, music playing software and demos all work better on slower processors..... oh, wait.... (or not as the faster processor means you don't have to wait).

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@broadblues

What is most restrictive on the Amiga regarding productivity software is the graphics performance, however this can be solved by reducing the number of bitplanes. Protracker and Deluxe Paint works very smooth on the Amiga BTW. The Amiga also had PAL/NTSC that made it extra good at certain things.

Most of the developers go where the market is, there they find audiences and/or the money.

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@Hillbillylitre

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however this can be solved by reducing the number of bitplanes.

Or using GFX card and suitable software (eg. PPaint and TvPaint - both inspired by DPaint).

@Hillbillylitre

Hacks (undesirable, albeit creative ones) to work around the limitations.

Software was also designed to give an 'out of memory' error when media (which software was designed to process, it was not designed for the sheer glory of it ) became larger than the available resources could handle.

What to do? Buy a mac, pc, linux box, or upgrade the amigas OS and hardware. The latter course gave some interesting results, although apparently not to you.

/me curses tablet keyboard

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OS4&MOS can run Classic Amiga software without Petunia/Trance?


so

Emulate 68k software with petunia/trance or emulate it with WinUAE at the end is the same things
if WinUAE is not Amiga, neither is OS4 and MOS

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