@hogne

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hogne wrote: @Raffaele A screenshot for you :) http://pasteboard.co/1kQwL5V8.png

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@Raffaele

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Works for me...

@Raffaele

It doesn't work on OWB but does in chrome on linux, show some javascript creating a 'div' displayed in sepearate window, as such I wonder what on earth it's suposed to be demonstrating....

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@hogne

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hogne wrote: @amigang Hello! Friend Software Labs is a Norwegian company founded last year. We're developing a cloud OS and "meta kernel" - a type of server application that does the processing of the OS, and connects to various devices on the network. Our desktop environment is modeled on the Amiga Workbench, but we're also implementing themes where the behavior of the desktop is more like Mac OS X, or Windows. You will find these screenshots when our site launches soon (perhaps tomorrow, actually).

From your description it seems Linux Distro with Amiga-like directory naming, Webkit based GUI with engine of X-Org (or some less machine stressing GUI handler) mimicking easy Amiga Workbench icon system like AROS Wanderer (to let GUI even more lightweight) but cloning either Mac OS or Windows desktops (to let users feeling confortable depending on the OS they came from) and something Java-like for piloting remote devices (all depending on your cloud service rental) that could be easily mounted/dismounted with a Linux +Amiga-Assign way so devices will appear and disappear in the cloud without necessity of rebooting and enlisted and accessed just in the same way DirectoryOpus access and operate remote ftps (mine is just an example).

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We're present at Amiga30 in Amsterdam and in California, where we are going to show and tell. We're also launching a Kickstarter campaign just before the Amiga30 event in Amsterdam.

somehow I am curious to know why Orange people refused my request to let Open PPC Laptop developers to present publicly their project claiming "it is totally unrelated with Amiga" and let you present your Operating System that (to be honest) about Amiga has only some little smell of it.

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FriendUP, as our OS is called, is not like AmigaOS when talking about the legacy, the hardware, native machine code etc. But it achieves an AmigaOS like desktop (configurable of course), which lets you build web applications and server applications with technologies that borrow a lot from Amiga.

I see nothing of Amiga in a configurable desktop as long as all modern Operating System sports configurable desktops GUIs.

If you are trying to made some Amiga users abandon the platform and migrate to your system with the illusion of a new Amithlon or better with the illusion of a new ARIX or AnubisOS in 2015, you are knocking to the wrong door, my dear pal...


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Examples of Amiga like features: Our shell is very similar to the AmigaOS shell, aiming for KingCON type functionality.

As long as KingCon: is based on Unix/Linux ZShell, then congratulations you made ZShell with Amiga naming convention system. Not quite a innovative feature.

Perhaps is it Case Sensitive? If answer is "yes" please don't offend anymore our intelligence with GNU-Linux-Shell who tries to be a dragqueen of AmigaDOS.

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It is available on the desktop as well as through SSH at the server level. We have a familiar DOS / filesystem behaviour. Our default partitions are; "System:", for the OS tools, utilities, preferences etc, "Home:" for your personal files - and then you have a mountlist application where you can add websites as disks, databases, sshfs - in FriendUP - everything is abstracted as a "partition".

Everything is a partition? Just the same in Unix/Linux everything is a file?


OH MY GOD! It's LinuxZilla!!!

You changed original Gnu/Unix/Linux behaviour from everything is a "file" to everything is a "partition" so you can make "Assigns" like in Amigaland but you don't changed the bad idea at the base of it as in Linux.
Filesystems must either use partitions and handle files, and devices should be accessed as devices, even if they use semicolon ":" in order to be accessed (assigns must remain only an additional feature for redirecting output or avoid installing software, not for adding remote devices that must be kept alien to the main system and accessed only by drivers - and mainly never assigned abruptly - for a matter of security of the OS. IMHO only directly connected devices must be trusted and added to the system. Anything that lays over the net must not be trusted and put behind a firewall).
Assigns are an optional for handling devices as partitions only if requested by user. This is why AmigaOS remains the best in my opinion.

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You use the same commands as on AmigaOS - status, break, copy, makedir etc. This furthers some aspects of Amiga heritage - something I'm personally proud of. A bit of my personal background. I used amigas as my main setup from 1989-2001. I was on the AROS team for a while, doing some initial work on Wanderer, and I developed Lunapaint.

Not to offend you but I hope you made better effort in modding ZShell and to make X-Org GUI handle mousepointer and icons like in AROS Wanderer than the effort you profused in LunaPaint developing... The paint software with the most inefficient draw routines I ever seen in any paint program on any platform ever (perhaps did you changed its routines when you made it commercial?)

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The most important thing to note, here, is that we're not promoting our cloud OS as an Amiga OS. Not at all. But we are Amiga related, in that we're heavily influenced by the Amiga structures and desktop solutions - so in that sense, we're continuing the Amiga culture in our project.

Perhaps, despite your friendly snake-like words it just seems to me that you are trying to attract Amiga users to a new AmigaClone facepainted Linux just as people at CommodoreUSA attempted to...

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Anyhow, fire away questions. I will respond to the best of my ability. And please try to keep it friendly? :)

Nope... No Mercy!

IMHO Yours it is just the latest (in order of time) pitiful attempt to show false gold in the eyes of Amiga users to weak the remaining userbase.
Sorry if I don't bet a cent on your project and I show myself hostile rather than friendly.

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@pavlor

I am on an errand and I am using my smartphone, and picture does not show!

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@Raffaele

Direct link


What a warm welcome to our new guest.

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@pavlor

direct link, which you can't use with IB, Aweb, RA-OWB etc. because of broken AMISSL V3.

This should work

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direct link, which you can't use with IB, Aweb, RA-OWB etc. because of broken AMISSL V3.

Well, of course, I use IE. I hope it works at least for smartphone.


Edit: My link works in Odyssey and NetSurf.

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@pavlor

Your link does not work on Samsung GSII Android running Opera Mobile...

The link of NumberSix works! Good!

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@Raffaele

Wow, you got something stuck up there? What a totally uncalled for rage! Also, I want to point out that ZShell is a CLI for Amiga, written in 68k assembler. Zsh is probably what you think of.
http://aminet.net/package/util/shell/ZShell.src
http://www.zsh.org

@phoenixconsole

Care to explain how this in any way, shape or form is resembling your projects? I fail to see any similarities, and I think Raffaele should be pissed off at you for running something Amiga like on top of Linux!! To be honest I don't care much for your projects, many of them seem mostly to be about shoehorning AROS onto everything for no good reason.

@Hogne

Interesting concept, reminds me of Rebol and old stuff lIke Oberon, only using webkit. I am traveling a lot, might be interested in trying it out. Will it work with Chrome on iPad? Oh, and KingCON is not a shell, just a console handler (terminal emulator if you like), the standars Amiga CLI and AmigaDOS frontend is Amiga shell.

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Wow, you got something stuck up there?

It's an inverse ratio.

When linux and Amiga were mentioned in the same sentence before, CUSA got away with it for a week or so, R.J. Dohnert for only a day or two. Now it's down to hours...or less. Heh.

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@hogne

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A bit of my personal background. I used amigas as my main setup from 1989-2001. I was on the AROS team for a while, doing some initial work on Wanderer, and I developed Lunapaint. I still follow all the Amiga projects, (I think I have an old account here, lost my password and email :)), and hope that our project will give Amiga developers and users a new arena to play with, online, while they are away from their real Amiga computers and platforms.

m0ns00n is that you?

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@kolla

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Care to explain how this in any way, shape or form is resembling your projects? I fail to see any similarities, and I think Raffaele should be pissed off at you for running something Amiga like on top of Linux!! To be honest I don't care much for your projects, many of them seem mostly to be about shoehorning AROS onto everything for no good reason

if using also real world tools and having memory protection and wider devices support is a no good reason... and the fact that something lighter like ARIX is still not available yet maybe...

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@kolla
Maybe I got it wrong but my projects include:

A command called qx which runs local application on a cloud provided vcpu
Also you can access a whole vm all The Time.

So Local Tasks are executed by a Server frontend instead of your local computer.

Did i got this Meta thing wrong? Reads like the same thing.

So aeros will execute native arm/i386 apps plus cloud apps and offers a vcpu to let execute demanfing tasks (from locally installed apps) in the cloud.

So it fits perfectly. Correct me if i am wrong.

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@phoenixkonsole

Does your solution offer a distributed meta operating system that runs across a mesh of different host systems using web technologies? Being able to run local code and data remotely is hardly news, more like what distributed operating systems have been doing for ages.

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@kolla
A mesh bla bla..... Is for me the same as sharing processing power between all connected users.
Where is the difference technically? Except you are using different words to describe the same processes running under the hood?

I don't get the difference.

Now run my services through this:
http://www.taws.ch/WB.html

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@pavlor

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What a warm welcome to our new guest.

Some of us tend to get a bit snippy when someone uses terms like Amiga-like, or Amiga-inspired, and then we look at the solution and see very little Amiga about it.

Is the recent Team 17 Alien Breed Trilogy released on Windows/Steam and PS3 also Amiga-inspired?

What the people at FriendUP are doing is somewhat neat, and I wish them every success. No doubt most of us Amigans who'd be working on a CloudOS would try and get some Amiga OS conventions in there, but that does not make it very inspired.

But I get it. They need funding to bring this to fruition so they're shaking every proverbial tree possible. Maybe I too should think of ways my upcoming Kickstarter project dylz.com is Amiga-inspired.

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@agami

+1

everything is somehow amiga inspired propably

it seems it is about winning interested people for donating to his kickstarter

@hogne

ok there are some concepts that are amiga inspired

but what do you really have to offer for the community except that you want money?

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Ehh you mix him up with me.

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