@Ertilyllibllih

It seems A1 + AOS4 might be the most compatible Amiga compatible so far.

( Some examples can be found here: http://www.intuitionbase.com/index.php
List does not include apps that run via AOS4's standard runinuae. )

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@rats

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rats wrote: Great Blog report: http://www.retrorich.co.uk/2015/06/amiga-30-amsterdam-june-2015-my-story.html Videos so far: New video of the Event from HauJobb https://youtu.be/Fmpwkbvv9pI mjnurney Amiga Amsterdam 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFc0I9Afqvw War has never been so much fun! by Rich Lloyd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8mjFmqdWhs Drawing of the Grand prize. by rafamigayt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKsp0gy5z9k

Thanks for the links

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@event & Hyperion

Was a xkernel version of AOS4 shown (able to use more than one core, for something)?
Was the current state of Gallium3D shown?

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@KimmoK

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Was a xkernel version of AOS4 shown (able to use more than one core, for something)? Was the current state of Gallium3D shown?

There was an X5000 shown so X-Kernel was definitely running on that but there was no multi core support or Gallium shown. I think there'd have been a bit of a fanfare if either had.

@Rob

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I think there'd have been a bit of a fanfare if either had.

Agreed. Not to mention that there's probably no "current state of Gallium 3D".

Could you say something about those two snippets from the PR posted a few days before the event?

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show you some AmigaOS 4 hardware [...] some of it you will most likely never have seen before. [...] We will talk about a long standing promise

Was any remarkable hardware on display? What "long standing promise"?

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@thread

Actual downloadable a/v files:

http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=846761&postcount=592

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@cgutjahr

Most people wouldn't have seen the X5000 before. It would probably have been the first time many had seen an X1000 or even tried out OS4 for themselves.

I think Gorky 17 being released (soon) must be the long standing promise. I din't spot it immediately until I clocked the poster hanging up say coming soon. They had it running on a Sam so people were able to try it out. I think Costel said that it just needs a hardware renderer and then it will be released.

@KimmoK
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>- X5000/40 is in beta testing in January (in = since, I guess) Nice! I was not aware of that being betatested allready. I would expect that not to require much further testing time after /20 is out.

No, AFAIK no beta testers have /40 boards yet. I think Trevor means beta testing of that board will start in Jan 2016.

The only issue I see with it is that the P5040 has only 1 Sata controller, whereas the the P5020 has 2. I assume they'll add a port multiplexer.

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>but there are other new hardware. >- A-Eon has in this regard 2 new hardware projects going on. X5000/10 and new X600 ??? or X6000 and X600 ??? Really, not nice that there seems to be so little user/community interaction vs new developments. But it's clear that we need new stuff on the affordable end.

Remember the X3500 was dropped because there was no cost advantage - much of the cost comes from the complexity of the board. A X5000/10 would suffer the same problems.

An X600 though.. (its not called that BTW), is a different story.

Also why do you think you have any say in how the new machines are to be built? Trevor/A-Eon have done a goo job so far,

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@cgutjahr

The long standing promise is indeed Gorky17, and dear Rob got it a little wrong :) The reason it took so long was the hardware renderer, which is working now, optimizations and some bugfixing and enhancements remain. For the full story on this you can ask me in Neuss :)

the os4 hardware was a misunderstanding between costel and me, he thought i would bring it and i thought it the other way around.. will try to fix that aswell ! :)

@Daz

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Remember the X3500 was dropped because there was no cost advantage - much of the cost comes from the complexity of the board. A X5000/10 would suffer the same problems.

Price of P5020 and P3041 is similar (well, I saw P3041 from some vendors even more expensive).

@SimplePPC

Thanks for the clarification.

I must have misheard or something and it was a long weekend. That's my story and I'm sticking to it anyway.

@SimplePPC

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The long standing promise is indeed Gorky17

This game is from 1999!

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@BigD

In fairness Hyperion didn't get a license for it until December 2003.

I think Rich Drumond had a large part of it done and then he seemed to disappear from the scene after a very hung over presentation of it at une of the Amiwest shows. So I assume it lay dormant for a long time while developers focussed on OS4 or their own projects.

It's always nice to have some new software and the game will be completely new to me at least. Hope they might re-consider proper OS4 ports of Shogo and Heretic 2 since WarpOS never worked as well on my XE as they did on the BPPC and there's no way to run them on the X1000 since the wrapper isn't compatible with PA6T. The OS4 port of Freespace also needs some fixing to work properly with newer video hardware too.

@Rob

+1 !

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@Daz

To me there is many reason why I will not buy a A-one, and they are:

- form factor ( I think amiga should be small in size, these a-one systems are huge pc/linux boxes)

- price!!!

so I will wait for a amiga fpga.

@tangoone

Even in Commodore days there were large form factor Amigas, A-2000, A-3000 & A-4000s. Not to mention the A3000 & A4000 towers which were huge compared to an X1000. Also, the ACube motherboards will fit in fairly small cases.

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@KimmoK

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KimmoK wrote: @Ertilyllibllih It seems A1 + AOS4 might be the most compatible Amiga compatible so far. ( Some examples can be found here: http://www.intuitionbase.com/index.php List does not include apps that run via AOS4's standard runinuae. )

nah, all 68K software need to be emulated to work on a PPC processor.

I think WinUAE is the most compatible Amiga compatible so far. E-UAE as OS4 uses has not been in development for many years.

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@OldFart

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OldFart wrote: @Ertilyllibllih Quote: Talking abut compatible, O$4 is not compatible with anything. Neither is MS-Windows compatible with anything but itself, nor is Linux compatible with anything but itself. Same goes for Apple's OSX (add an 'n' and an 'e' at the appropriate places and you're in the middle of an MLC..), showing that no* OS is compatible with anything but itself (hopefully, fingers X-ed). That is the very nature of OS's. You are happy with your hardware. Good for you. Some others might not be so happy with it, me a.o. *some mainframe OS's of yore might have some degree of binary compatibillity or some sourcecode level compatibillity (Correct me IIAW). OldFart

The operating system should be compatible with the hardware it runs on, otherwise it would not work. Just like AmigaOS4 does not work on Amiga computers because it doesn't support the hardware and instead must emulate Amiga computers on another computer system.

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@Ertilyllibllih

>I think WinUAE is the most compatible Amiga compatible so far.

But that is not an Amiga compatible. It's just a building block, a HW emulator.

If Amiga Forever would be bundled with a HW, it perhaps could be considered as Amiga compatible... but it does not run any Amiga OS stuff natively.
AOS4 system at least run PPC + 68k + OCS etc. straight out of the box. It most likely can execute more AmigaSW than my A4000 can & faster, no need to mess with foreign systems like Linux or Windos.

>AmigaOS4 does not work on Amiga computers

AmigaOS4 runs also on Amiga computers.

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@Daz

>AFAIK no beta testers have /40 boards yet. I think Trevor means beta testing of that board will start in Jan 2016.

Ok.

>The only issue I see with it is that the P5040 has only 1 Sata controller, whereas the the P5020 has 2. I assume they'll add a port multiplexer.

I rather hope they bundle the setup with PCIe SATA(3) controller.

>much of the cost comes from the complexity of the board. A X5000/10 would suffer the same problems.

I think X5000/10 support does not need so much SW work than e500mc core of P3041. Otherwise you are right. There is not (enough) price advantage.

>Also why do you think you have any say in how the new machines are to be built?

I'm a potential buyer, especially if they do HW that I can afford to buy.
Currently A-Eon HW offering reach only a fraction of existing community. (because of the price)

To get any new user, we must have cheap HW as well, like in old times.
To me, for example rpi offering seemed far inferior to what SAM system can offer to user, but still RPi grew to some 100 000 users very fast, because it was small & affordable.

We can not beat ARM devices with price, but below 500EUR system is far more easy to sell than above 1000EUR system.

>Trevor/A-Eon have done a goo job so far,

Yes they have. I hope they get even better!

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