@OlafS25

Starting? Its gone past strange. I personally think CBM is in the clear, but like I said above it will depend on a court trial that will never happen.

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It is starting to look a little strange now

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@RobertJDohnert

that Cloanto controls the C64 roms is new to me... and for amiga you do not need the original roms

so I do not really understand what this is now about

@OlafS25

Its about the NAME. MCB has always had an issue with the name. Obsession really. But thats what it all boils down to. In their minds Amiga/Commodore mean one thing and anything else is just garbage.

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@OlafS25

BTW, you dont even need the C64 roms. most of the classic C64 games have been redone in Java. So really this is all a moot point. Its just about the name.

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@RobertJDohnert

Using "Commodore" as brand yes

but you can install a amiga emulator or a c64 emulator on a device without violating a brand then

@OlafS25

Exactly, as I stated its all about the name and Cloanto just put out a me-too press release just to get themselves a spot because I think they truly BELIEVE they own something.

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There's also this now on the Commodore-Pet sales site:

Opposition from C=Holdings BV

#6

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number6 wrote: @thread There's also this now on the Commodore-Pet sales site: Opposition from C=Holdings BV #6

Out standing! Things were getting rather dull around here.

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@damocles

Opposition opposed.Proof required.

Finally some common sense being used for a change.

@blizz1220

Yep, the cigarette butt was put out on C= Holdings and Cloanto's collective foreheads.

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@RobertJDohnert

Not really , seemed like an appropriate answer to all
new articles and accusations.

Interesting that Cloanto is talking about "copyrightable"
material as registered bu US copyright office because
US is one of the countries that doesn't allow "reverse
engineering" so Cloanto might be trying to send a
message.

Only thing (of any value) that Cloanto claims to own/license
is Amiga kictstarts so if AROS ROMs become replacement
than it has nothing.Since it's an Amiga company Cloanto
gets away with it , I wonder if Microsoft was selling Amiga
kickstarts how different would general perception of that
fact be.

@blizz1220

Reverse engineering is permitted, there is even a windows clone reverse engineering windows and Microsoft certainly has good attorneys. They will never come through with it if they try to go against use of aros rom replacements. But it can be that they want to stay exclusive resource for commercial amiga emulation and are not happy. Perhaps others will become aware of Aros rom replacements then too and noone needing Amiga forever anymore.

I was ready to criticise Cloanto but then I read their statement and I think it's all a big overreaction. They didn't accuse anyone of piracy or say anything at all about the status of AROS ROMs.

The press had assumed that the C= phone will include official ROMs as they don't know anything about AROS and Cloanto confirmed that they weren't using "their" ROMs as any business would.

Am I missing something? It seems like a fuss over things that haven't even been written.

Chris

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@clebin

"Meanwhile Cloanto, which owns most software released by Commodore and Amiga , has issued a press release, stating that Canigiani is not in a position to include software emulations of old Commodore computers with his smartphone since he does not have a license for the required firmware."

that sounds at least interpretable as noone is allowed to install emulation of amiga and c64 without their approval

I would see this as threat because my idea always was that Aros Rom replacements become preinstalled in commercial products like FPGA hardware

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@clebin

Aug. 16, 2015 / PRZen / LAS VEGAS -- Cloanto Corporation is the holder of the international copyrights for all copyrighted and copyrightable works created by the original Commodore/Amiga companies up to 1993, as recorded at the United States Copyright Office. These include ROM, operating system, boot code, application software, documentation, multimedia and other components as included in licensed packages such as Amiga Forever and C64 Forever.

Recently, some publications and news agencies reported that "Commodore Business Machines Ltd" (United Kingdom) might be selling, planning to sell or collecting money for orders of smartphone devices that claim to include software emulations of the PET, C64 and Amiga computers.

For the avoidance of doubt, Cloanto hereby confirms that it has not granted any rights to said UK company for bundling or otherwise distributing the original, copyrighted ROM and OS software code used by the PET, C64 and Amiga systems and their emulations.

@OlafS25

Few others expressed doubts if Cloanto really "owns"
as in ownership , property of one(self).Cloanto is no
doubt following Amiga forums so they can make a post
or two to clarify their position.

I would like to know if Cloanto would grant license for
future Vampire boards if they need it and would they
support project with some discount or maybe even
free license.More than that I would like to know if they
are in position to do that and if there are any limitation
on their rights.

Individual Computers already got license for 3.1 ROM
from Hyperion.

@blizz1220

perhaps there is too much interpretation here but clearly Cloanto has commercial interests regarding commercial amiga emulation of any kind including FPGA. We will see what happens

Will be interesting to see if "Commodore" can preinstall Amiga with rom replacements or not. If yes it might attract other companies to do the same and my own idea always was that Aros 68k (special distribution) and Rom replacements are preinstalled on new hardware.

@blizz1220

around C64 roms the situation is even more confusing than on amiga and no replacements. Indeed there is "original" so Rom replacements are not mentioned. Still why this press release at all?

the original release:

LAS VEGAS - Aug. 15, 2015 - PRLog -- Cloanto Corporation is the holder of the international copyrights for all copyrighted and copyrightable works created by the original Commodore/Amiga companies up to 1993, as recorded at the United States Copyright Office. These include ROM, operating system, boot code, application software, documentation, multimedia and other components as included in licensed packages such as Amiga Forever and C64 Forever.

Recently, some publications and news agencies reported that "Commodore Business Machines Ltd" (United Kingdom) might be selling, planning to sell or collecting money for orders of smartphone devices that claim to include software emulations of the PET, C64 and Amiga computers.

For the avoidance of doubt, Cloanto hereby confirms that it has not granted any rights to said UK company for bundling or otherwise distributing the original, copyrighted ROM and OS software code used by the PET, C64 and Amiga systems and their emulations.

@OlafS25

I know of KERNAL.ROM and BASIC.ROM that are needed
for emulation and due to small size there are even more
replacements for official ROMs than in case of Amiga.

@OlafS25

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OlafS25 wrote: @clebin "Meanwhile Cloanto, which owns most software released by Commodore and Amiga , has issued a press release, stating that Canigiani is not in a position to include software emulations of old Commodore computers with his smartphone since he does not have a license for the required firmware." that sounds at least interpretable as noone is allowed to install emulation of amiga and c64 without their approval

That's not Cloanto's own words but the interpretation of a mainstream tech website, most likely written without knowledge that alternative ROMs even exist. From what's written in black & white I see it as, at worst, a warning not use the official ROMs without paying Cloanto for them.

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I would see this as threat because my idea always was that Aros Rom replacements become preinstalled in commercial products like FPGA hardware

Obviously if someone does start questioning the AROS ROMs I'll be 100% behind you. But even they did, there's no threat. If there was, Microsoft would have shut down Wine and ReactOS back when they were waging a war against open-source and Ben Hermans would have done more than make petty jibes at MorphOS. AROS ROMs will continue to be bundled with UAE and FPGA machines and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Chris

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