@LimoU.Sin

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How about all the additional capabilities you are not able of utilize,

For last few years it has been journey for me, I know little about YUV420 & YUV422 and thing like that, I did not know a lot about Composition, and got the opportunity to learn new things, and make improvements on MPlayer in the process. I have played around with the MMU on Basilisk II, and I have learned a bit of PowerPC Assembler.

I have maybe learned a bit about optimization and other thing as well.

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you should be ashamed.....

What I deliver is what I can with in my capacity. I am not professional, but I do what I can.

But really what it fall back on is man power, and lack of funding we have a few great developers, but often it’s the same people who do everything, lesser import things often don't get any priority.

There is absolutely a lot to be done, I agree.

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @LimoU.Sin What I deliver is what I can with in my capacity. I am not professional, but I do what I can. But really what it fall back on is man power, and lack of funding we have a few great developers, but often it’s the same people who do everything, lesser import things often don't get any priority. There is absolutely a lot to be done, I agree.

You should not complain about Commodore Amiga hobbyists not always supports RTG and AHI but only the chip set then, an addon video card was not a standard part of the Amiga system.

Instead what you should rather do is to complain about why your NG OS do not support the hardware it runs on, to support the hardware is not third-party hobby developers' responsibility to do on such a expensive system.



It's much more important then what third-party hobbyists developers do, especially when taking price into consideration. If the OS had run on general hardware had things seemed a bit different, but SAM and X1000 are not general hardware, its partly expensive custom hardware for an OS that is not capable of utilizing the whole hardware.



I would have felt ripped off if I had bought something like this.

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@SACC-dude

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great another troll, sigh

To be more precise, it is third incarnation of one "troll" in less than six months.

@LimoU.Sin

I would have felt ripped off if I had bought something like this.


You are entitled to your opinion sunshine.... Some of us are far too busy enjoying the so called rip off hardware to actually care....

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@LimoU.Sin

For me it was a logical step, first A500, then A500 + harddisk on the side + cdromdrive,
then A1200 with harddisk and cdrom drive, then A1200 in tower with harddisk and cdromdrive + ppcboard + graphicsboard, now A1SE PPC in big tower with many harddisks, dvddrive, graphics card and soundcard.

Future: full system ready to go.

Oh and i am since 1996 on the internet with a standard A1200 and all later systems.

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@HL (LimoU.Sin ?)

You don't want it? dont buy it!

You as a customer can have AmigaOS on other Hardware (Amiga or not).

Feel free and vote with your purse.

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@LimoU.Sin

CBM sold Amiga computers with hardware that was not fully supported by the OS too. A600 IDE controller for example. MMUs and FPUs were also not supported by the OS.

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@LimoU.Sin

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You should not complain about Commodore Amiga hobbyists not always supports RTG and AHI but only the chip set then, an addon video card was not a standard part of the Amiga system.

A lot of things have happened, you most see that we are not in 1988 anymore, people have upgrades on their Amiga computers, way should user expect there hardware not be supported? I believe more can have be done if people looked forwards and not just backwards always.
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Instead what you should rather do is to complain about why your NG OS do not support the hardware it runs on

Hardware support is one thing, software is another, I believe Demo coders, are good developers but I believe they west there talents.
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to support the hardware is not third-party hobby developers' responsibility to do on such a expensive system.

I don't agree, if you are interested getting something and no one else is interested, and then way should you not make it happen? I ported the Catwassel MK4 driver from Linux because I wanted to recover my floppy disks.

Personal motivation is good reasons to do something. Never mind that I did not get a cut in development of Catwassel MK4 or sales of OS4, cash was not my motivation on that project.

Spending the time on something is a way to pay for something you like to happen; time is one of the few human resources that everyone has if they are poor or rich. What you use that time for that is your choice.

Everyone can hope and dream, blame others for not delivering that is easy, does not make things happen, someone has to do it. It might as well be you. Only then you can be sure that something is happening.

By the way I learned something new by doing that too, yes I wasted a lot of my time on it.
I learned a bit about MFM encoding, I learned a bit about PCI interface on my AmigaONE-XE at the time, maybe a bit about Linux low level stuff as well.

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It's much more important then what third-party hobbyists developers do,

The third-party developer often contribute to programs, that make the user experience better on the OS. They are important to the platform.

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especially when taking price into consideration.

Well that's exactly way the what third-party hobbyists developers are important for the platform. You can't sale hardware without software. And you need high number of sales for the price to go down on the hardware.

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If the OS had run on general hardware had things seemed a bit different,

Just a bit different, you need software, and you need thing to just work, you need a good user experience. People will not come running just because it is free. There are so many free operating system out there to pick already.

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for an OS that is not capable of utilizing the whole hardware.

I think that is always the case with new hardware, it takes time for software to catch up.

Just look at your favorite subject demos, just look at demos on C64 from 1980's and demo's form 2015 on the C64, there is big difference in what people are able to do on that old hardware. The hardware has not changed.

Take AltiVec for example, what programs use that on AmigaOS4, I know of only 4 programs, MPlayer, FFMPEG, RC5 and OGR. But an AltiVec instruction can do 4 times what normal Assembler instruction does. So in other words it's used fare too little, but has huge impact on programs that use it.

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OneTimer1 wrote: @HL (LimoU.Sin ?) You don't want it? dont buy it! You as a customer can have AmigaOS on other Hardware (Amiga or not). Feel free and vote with your purse.

Well I'm used to things that is sham get criticism.

@LimoU.Sin

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Well I'm used to things that is sham get criticism.

Prepare yourself for a lot of criticism then especially when you are creating your 'facts'.

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CBM sold Amiga computers with hardware that was not fully supported by the OS too. A600 IDE controller for example. MMUs and FPUs were also not supported by the OS.

you mean ks2.0 vs 2.1? 2.1 had harddisk support afair? what concerns mmu anf fpu, these were usually acompanied by appropriate libraries issued by cpu accel vendors. at least fpu could be utilized via math libs interfaces, isnt that os support?

@wawa

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wawa wrote: @kolla you mean ks2.0 vs 2.1? 2.1 had harddisk support afair?

Harddisk support was all 3rd party until 3.1, I remember upgrading my roms in '94 and not having to boot from a floppy first to start the harddrive.

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Severin wrote: Harddisk support was all 3rd party until 3.1, I remember upgrading my roms in '94 and not having to boot from a floppy first to start the harddrive.

Strange because many Amiga1200 were sold with HD and ROM 3.0. I can remember there were some problems with booting CD-ROM with A1200 + 3.0, though.

@Severin

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Harddisk support was all 3rd party until 3.1, I remember upgrading my roms in '94 and not having to boot from a floppy first to start the harddrive.

certainly not. must be some os4 anticipation;).. i had an 1200 with 3.0 at the time booting from a hd with no problem. i had multiple a4000 with ks3.0 where the difference to 3.1 was longer wait for drives to spin up. you are inventing stories to make os4 look better in comparison, i sense..

@LimoU.Sin

What kind of Limousine do You have?

I'm still waiting for the AmigaOne XE support from the year 2002. Two more weeks my Troll Friend;)

@wawa

commodore sold (thru Creative Computing) the 1200 with no hard drive and no install disk!
You could buy a hard drive and install disk. They also sold a 1200HD branded that included a hard drive.
Same was true of the 600 and 600HD.

The 4000D (s) all came with hard disks.
Please review your memory for errors (grin)

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wawa wrote: @Severin Quote: Harddisk support was all 3rd party until 3.1, I remember upgrading my roms in '94 and not having to boot from a floppy first to start the harddrive. certainly not. must be some os4 anticipation;).. i had an 1200 with 3.0 at the time booting from a hd with no problem. i had multiple a4000 with ks3.0 where the difference to 3.1 was longer wait for drives to spin up. you are inventing stories to make os4 look better in comparison, i sense..

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@LimoU.Sin

>One thing is for sure, the A1 nemo/X1000 is not designed for AmigaOS.

It's specially designed for Amiga OS. ((even when it does not look "so" special))

>Its PPC

Amiga became PowerPC in late 90's when 68k development stopped.
If commodore had not died Amiga would have gone RISC anyway.

68k was not an option for future.

>and even have a 64 bit CPU

Originally Amiga became fully 32bit when all of the rest were 16 or 8 bit.

Do you want Amiga to remain 32bit now when the world has gone 64bit?
(CBM would have made Amiga 64bit as well)

>with multiple cores

That's the best modern way to use CPU power. Amiga is also about being advanced, staying single core neither is option for future, multicore support is therefore being done.

(Amigas became multicore ALREADY around 1998, but only in limited AMP way.)

Also CBM designers had multicore 68k Amiga design.

> beside this xmoses nonsense.

It's OK idea, but not perfectly implemented.

>Do it have onboard graphics?

In 1990 it became clear that onboard Amiga graphics was not enough for HIGH end Amigas any more.
That's why GFX cards were developed for Amigas.

CBM was not able to compete with other chip makers, later even low end GFX cards started to surpass Amiga onboard GFX. When CBM died it shipped Amigas weaker GFX than what GFX was used by professional Amiga users.

>That mean you have to install a PCI graphics card.

If CBM had not died Also CBM Amigas would have had PCI card slots.

It's the modern, flexible and futureproof way to have GFX on a replaceable card.
IMO: Amiga is also about flexibility, modularity, system without limits. GFX on a card gives that.

(onboard GFX must be carefully thought out, so that it does not start to limit system evolution. For example you could not upgrade Amiga500 or Rasberry Pi GFX, because they did not have a GFX card slot.)

>Me search Amd drivers like normal people http://support.amd.com/en-us/download

Amd makes drivers only for mainstream customers. Amigans must write their own.
For Amigans there is no other option to use & enjoy modern GFX capability.

>And can't find Amiga OS supported by Amd or nVidia for that matter?

My A4000 became ATI powered in 1998. I never got drivers from ATI.

>What is the point with this crazy expensive thing people have probably paid for?

Have native Amiga fun ?
I would also buy so cool HW as X1000, if I could afford to buy it.

(Already my SAM440ep is fun continuation after my Amiga4000, improving in pretty much all Amiga areas, X1000 would be the same, except more powerfull.)


((my household already has 4...8* more powerfull HW than x1000, but so far I have not found fun OS for it, especially not as fun as AmigaOS4)) ((trying latest AROS & AEROS &etc is on my todo list))

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@kolla

And why the heck would someone use a Korean(/German/French/Japanese etc) car to drive to a Norwegian city? That makes absolutely no sense. I wish people would just stop having needs, wishes and ambitions that don't agree with mine. That would make things so much better.

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