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OlafS25 
Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
Posted on 5-Oct-2015 9:18:03
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@pavlor

BTW I am proud owner of AmigaOS and would like to install it on my notebook

Is there a good manual how to install it, what you need and where you get it and how to configure it properly?

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Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
Posted on 5-Oct-2015 9:50:34
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@OlafS25

Its early here on the East Coast (about 5:30 AM) and I got up troubled thinking I ought to post this.
My previous posts could feed into tendency toward emotional reactions that I'd like to avoid.

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BTW I am proud owner of AmigaOS and would like to install it on my notebook


OK, that IS funny!

But, I don't want to increase the hostility here.

And we all have a common history.
Things are diverging, but its all good.

I haven't decided on a dual or quad core X5000, but I'm definitely there.
After all, this will represent a nice snapshot of where we are at this point.

AND for all the OS4 guys, I'm a proud owner of Amiga OS myself, OS3.1.
With no slight intended, OS4 as just growing too slow.

That is why the alternatives exit, to provide some of the more adventurous of us an outlet.

Peace be with you all.

Edit : I decided to change my avatar, better to wear your colors on your sleeve than to remain in the closet with them.

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Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
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@iggy

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With no slight intended, OS4 as just growing too slow.

On what particular experience is your observation based? I've been using OS4 for six years now, and I can't see it "growing too slow"; quite the opposite I'd say.

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wawa 
Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
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@OlafS25

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BTW I am proud owner of AmigaOS and would like to install it on my notebook


how comes you are "proud" to be owner all the sudden?

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Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
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https://www.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd?fref=nf

Amiga30th Anniversary Event, Neuss, Germany

Where: Rheinische Landestheater, Neuss,
When: Saturday, October 10, 2015

Come to the A-EON Technology display area to meet A-EON co-founder Trevor Dickinson and see:-

* A demonstration of the AmigaOne X5000 & AmigaOne X1000 by AmigaOS 4 beta tester Dennis Zweedijk.

* A special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration by Core Linux team member and AmigaOS beta tester, Christian Zigotzky.

A.L.I.C.E. might even put in an appearance (along with Core Linux team member, Pat Wall).

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OlafS25 
Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
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@wawa

it comes because all the "red vs. blue vs. black vs. everyone against everyone" and "xyz is evil and we are the angles" and "my choice is better than your choice" and "my choice is thousand years ahead of everyone else" and all the other nonsense this community has produced in the past is nerving me.

I used "" with intention but the reactions of f.e. Iggy and your question shows me how humourless people in the community are.

Sorry to everyone else for my ranting

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wawa 
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@OlafS25

actually i forgot to put a smiley at the end of sentence. however pride of any kind and especially pride of ownership of material goods is a feeling i dont trust very much. ok, not meant as an insult. rather as an example how dry humor might become.

btw, i think english speakers may not understand what germish "nerving" is supposer to mean. i think "upsetting" is a correct word.;)

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OlafS25 
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@wawa

yes

did not understand your humour either. I only used "proud" because I often read it. And it provokes successful certain people what is obvious above. I do not understand some of the people

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wawa 
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@OlafS25

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And it provokes successful certain people


dont stir the pot now;)

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I do not understand some of the people


obviously you dont. i have read your what i alas must call "rant" on morph.zone what concerns mui compatibility and cooperation. there may be upsetting attitudes but all in all, the morphos people are being correct here, and may consider your demands upsetting in turn. therefore iggys reaction.

look: you come to their solitude demanding good will and cooperation promissing them vague gains from that in the future. but this is based on nothing. up till now. if any, it was morphos team who shared their achivements with others, for free or not is another matter. but the other camps do not have anything they (morphos) might want in return to my knowledge, and if they have, i would leave the deals to the developers. our invlovement here is mostly just empty talk.
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btw. i understand you started to mention mui4 situation because the suggestion of andreas on aros dev-ml. andreas wants a practical solution, in order to simplify hollwood development. he simply leaves out the complexity of the situation that led to necessity to replement amiga system functionality as open source, including mui. of course it would be better if the situation was different, but it is not. we have to live with it.

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OlafS25 
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@wawa

the topic is at the end now anyway... they want to drop legacy like datatypes and implement MP, SMP, 64bit and so on and use UAE for 68k. They have said themselves that no existing software will work on it and implementing all that stuff will mean breaking the API. This strategy is very different to that in the AROS camp so what both platforms have in common will drop dramatically. Then of course "cooperation" like cdimauro or me fool proposed would not make sense anymore.

What me angers is the "black and white" thinking people have. I will never propose anything regarding MorphOS ever again. So we should stop here, otherwise we provoke further reactions and completely derail this thread.

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wawa 
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@OlafS25

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they want to drop legacy like datatypes and implement MP, SMP, 64bit and so on and use UAE for 68k. They have said themselves that no existing software will work on it and implementing all that stuff will mean breaking the API.


i think it is good if they try this, they seem to have a userbase that might follow and support this rather risky decision. the result may become surprisingly similar to aros, probably a bit more polished. however widening the gap between genuine amiga and morphos, may paradoxically motivate morphos users interets in the at this moment left behind legacy, which is amiga. legacy suddenly becoming something alien.

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This strategy is very different to that in the AROS camp so what both platforms have in common will drop dramatically.


well, it might be not so much different of what os4 team has in mind or what has been discussed on aros forums since long.

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Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
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@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote:
@cdimauro

the MorphOS devs (as I understand) will make a break in the API and are implementing a different strategy than the Aros devs or the AmigaOS devs. Now latest the idea you have (and I had and propably a lot of other people had before) is not really useful or possible anymore. I do not think it will happen for different reasons (I have mentioned some of them including different strategies) so pushing there makes no sense except you want a "emotional" and "personal" debate. Good luck with that.

Olaf, it's not an emotional neither a personal debate: it's a technical debate.

UAE, in all its "flavors", provides more or less support for host vs guest (68K world) integration. The more that you can "move" from guest to host, the better is the integration between the two different worlds, and the better is also the execution speed.

UAE works on Windows, Linux/Unix, OS X, and even post-Amiga o.ses, which are completely different (OK, OS X has a lot in common with Unixes, but the UI toolkit and many other libraries are quite different).

So, it doesn't matter so much if MorphOS/x64 will have different APIs compared to AROS. Yes, some things will be done differently, but much can be shared, like it happens with other o.ses too.


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phoenixkonsole wrote:

So I also tend to say x86 is meh... Boring and a expensive entry.

Really?

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@OlafS25
Just for the record:
If someone would spend a little bit on emumiga or vamos... Than it would work on aros x86 also integrated...

Absolutely. They are so much promising.
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We discussed it... It takes time and a bit pizza and beer aka money.

Unfortunately, yes: there's a lot of work to do.

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Posted on 6-Oct-2015 19:03:49
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Meanwhile...

Freescale's dev board featuring a 12 core e6500 T4240 is 1400 $, and that's not even for bigger quantities.

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pavlor 
Re: AmigaOne X5000 News Update
Posted on 6-Oct-2015 19:08:33
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@WolfToTheMoon

Does it have PCIe x16 connector?

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Posted on 6-Oct-2015 19:09:15
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@pavlor

no, 1 x8 and 1 x4...

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no, 1 x8 and 1 x4...


I thought so.

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WolfToTheMoon 
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Posted on 6-Oct-2015 19:12:13
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@pavlor

But what's the difference... no need for high graphics output on OS4... hell, there's barely any 3D support and absoloutely no software that would demand the absolute fastest graphics

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Rob 
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@WolfToTheMoon

Which board is that? Freescale's own is more expensive than the X1000 was.

edit.

The board is £950.52 while a complete system is £2627.91.

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WolfToTheMoon 
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@Rob

T4240RBD-PB is the part number... it costs 1445 $ on Freescale's web.

The older, more expensive board, has been discontinued.

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Signal 
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Posted on 6-Oct-2015 19:27:36
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@WolfToTheMoon

Quote:

WolfToTheMoon wrote:
Meanwhile...

Freescale's dev board featuring a 12 core e6500 T4240 is 1400 $, and that's not even for bigger quantities.


Ah screw 12 cores, how about 8 cylinders

" the McLaren TAG-400N controls eight-cylinder race engines with Freescale Power Architecture MCUs at its core."

ZOOooooooooOOOM!

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