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pavlor 
Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 13:27:45
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The main point of the Vampire is that it allows real Amiga hardware to run legacy 68k code faster than any other accelerator, so there's not really much point in comparing its performance to that of a PowerPC device running PowerPC code...


604e 392 MHz in some modded CyberstormPPC accelerators probably runs 68k applications faster via Petunia JIT than current Vampire.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 13:34:09
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And yet I would prefer on A600 with Vampire for all its coolness! ;)

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 13:57:30
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@pavlor

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604e 392 MHz in some modded CyberstormPPC accelerators probably runs 68k applications faster via Petunia JIT than current Vampire.


even if so there is few things spring to mind immediately:
1.compare the price of an original ppc card plus the cost of the mod + the cost of a pci bridge and peripherials to het high resolution rtg output like vampire does to the cost of vampire itself and you will easily end up ith a ratio 10/1 if not more. besides, thisn of of availability.
2. the rtg throuhtput via zorro3 will be limited to some 7mb/s no matter ppc cpu, while vampire reaches several hundred afair. well demonstrated with the hollywood wipes demo. i bought once ppc because i have thought it will speed up such issues. it did not.
3. heat and power consumption, noot to mention portability. with vampire these factors ar much better.

..and so on, this isnt a complete list by no means..

Last edited by wawa on 06-Mar-2016 at 02:08 PM.
Last edited by wawa on 06-Mar-2016 at 01:58 PM.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 14:10:31
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@wawa

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compare the price of an original ppc card plus the cost of the mod


Our discussion was about accelerators available, not their price.

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the rtg throuhtput via zorro3 will be limited to some 7mb/s no matter ppc cpu


CyberstormPPC can use CyberVisionPPC via expansion slot on accelerator card. Just try Quake 2 in higher resolution... (sure, cheating, Permedia2 supports 3D )

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..and so on, this isnt a complete list by no means..


Of course Vampire has great advantage in many aspects, but it is not (yet) most powerful CPU card for Amiga.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 14:23:00
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@pavlor

what is the price/performance ratio of PPC hardware compared to standard hardware?

People buy and will buy Vampire for fun not because it is beating everything else

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 14:40:32
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People buy and will buy Vampire for fun not because it is beating everything else


Exactly.

Yet, Im amused by some posts on EAB how Vampire beats performance-wise PowerPC computers.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 14:52:17
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@pavlor

I never read there (or anywhere else) that Apollo in FPGA beats PPC generally

it is fast when using certain features but for that you need adapted software
and it might beat per Mhz like Gunnar says because of new concepts and optimized commands but general PPC offer more Mhz at the moment and is faster because of that
and it is faster on certain aspects like RAM accessing because the hardware is newer than most of the PPC options

but as a hobby that is not that important

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 15:05:54
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@pavlor

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CyberstormPPC can use CyberVisionPPC via expansion slot on accelerator card. Just try Quake 2 in higher resolution... (sure, cheating, Permedia2 supports 3D )


i dont have cybervision ppc. another pricy expansion you need to go along in comparison to vampire..

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 15:10:56
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@wawa

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i dont have cybervision ppc. another pricy expansion you need to go along in comparison to vampire..


As I wrote, I didnt comment price - buying A1-500 would be far more sensible than hardware hacks on old accelerator board. Speaking about that, price/performance ratio of A1-500 is better than Vampire...

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 15:28:14
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@pavlor

actually this is a news thread about the vampire, not a thread to try to advocate some os4 hardware instead (which isnt available anyway).

Last edited by wawa on 06-Mar-2016 at 03:28 PM.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 15:31:08
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@wawa

It was you, who started PowerPC/Vampire comparison in post 374.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 20:57:18
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Amiga 600 - Vampire V2-128 - 194x SDL 68K

SDL game on M68K with RTG driver + Sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnrr_lROyTo&feature=youtu.be

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 6-Mar-2016 21:54:53
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Nice!

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 7-Mar-2016 8:01:16
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@Overflow

Is the game running only in Demo-Mode? Is there a reason for that? (Joystick problem?)

Looks great otherwise!

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 7-Mar-2016 10:00:49
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@Birbo

Here is him playing for real;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve_7CqdryeY

Noticed that after I linked the demo, and didnt bother updating with actual gameplay ;)



A600: Playing MP3 file directly from the DropBox

https://vimeo.com/158028131

Last edited by Overflow on 07-Mar-2016 at 03:22 PM.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 14-Mar-2016 13:05:29
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Edit;

*big picture*

Last edited by Overflow on 14-Mar-2016 at 05:25 PM.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 14-Mar-2016 13:06:43
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The link;

http://i.imgur.com/9LvcPNA.jpg

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 14-Mar-2016 15:18:32
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Fastest card ever produced for A600!

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 14-Mar-2016 16:58:02
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and biggest post ever. bigger is impossible.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 14-Mar-2016 17:23:50
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@wawa

Just wanted to make sure people wouldnt miss it

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