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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 1-Dec-2016 21:57:36
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I have to say, its pretty baffeling to read the complaints about how hard it is to get Vampires.
You are assured to never get it unless you order it. When I decided, I signed up, and suddenly it arrived. You seem to capitulate "its hopeless" and thats the end of that. It really is a facepalm situation to read this.

Granted V500 isnt listed as available for sale yet, but given the bulk style production the V600 is done now, going thru the backlog wont take that long.
If you want the V500, sign up for it the second it becomes available, and suddenly you have it.
It really isnt hard.

The 3 months I waited felt like nothing cause I was preoccupied with work anyhow. Now its setup in my homeoffice and being turned on everytime Im there.

Idle their IRC channel, or just pop into their forum a couple of times a week to keep up with news.
Given the nature of Amigaland, Apollo team is operating at near lightspeed (relativly).

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 1-Dec-2016 22:24:54
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@Overflow

I will do that. I guess what put me off was reading that blog eentry I linked to and getting the impression that the V500 was going to be done by hand and not bulk produced like the V600. But perhaps I read it wrong, or that the situation is more fluid.

There is NO doubt that buying a Mist is easier than buying an FPGA Arcade. Hoping the Vampire becomes more like the former than the latter in terms of availability, because it shows every promise of being a hit. Comparatively speaking in Amiga terms, of course.

UPDATE: OK, I will be positive. Hence, my new avatar. :D

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 1-Dec-2016 22:52:45
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@wawa

I thought not so long ago there was a 30+ pages thread where they talked about the A1222 lacking an fpu unit. What was that about?

Similarly, AmigaOne users or future customers are the target of the "never coming" attitude while they pretty much sit and wait for it (relaxed or not).

Under market rules, fpu is a basic need today and you want that completed product as soon as possible and every delay is more of the same.

By the way, a mmu is still complained about in emulation until this day.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 1-Dec-2016 23:28:52
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@Srtest

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I thought not so long ago there was a 30+ pages thread where they talked about the A1222 lacking an fpu unit. What was that about?


it was about a set in stone incompatible design, while afaik apollo core is an fpga design constantly extending its features and going to provide a fully 68k compatible fpu, which already has been presented to the public.

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Similarly, AmigaOne users or future customers are the target of the "never coming" attitude while they pretty much sit and wait for it (relaxed or not).


the difference is transparency. actually everything around apollo core is communicated openly. if you lock yourself away from this information, its your own choice, likely simply because you want to think about this effort wrong.

on the contrary os4 users are being left sitting fenced from any actual information let alone announcements that simply do not materialize. therefore many of them need to find excuse for this passive waiting and become active in field of phantasizing about what they are waiting for.

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Under market rules, fpu is a basic need today and you want that completed product as soon as possible and every delay is more of the same.


you are free to advance each and every vampire customer or wannabe customer and convince them, that they shouldnt buy it, because its not up to current "matket rules". maybe they didnt know.

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By the way, a mmu is still complained about in emulation until this day.


maybe with euae on your x1k. winuae has mmu emulation for years, but it cannot be made to work together with jit, which consecuently cuts your performance to under vampires level.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 2-Dec-2016 21:24:39
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i think it's time to open a news thread like "WinUAE vs FPGA" to umiliate any hardware solution in 2016 :P

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 8:51:53
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@Seiya

Current prototype core is nearly as efficient per clock cycle as a Core 2 Solo so if you factor in the clock speed, you'll be fine with the Vampire board.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 9:24:18
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@Samurai_Crow

Then, 68k benchmarks of Tabor vs Vampire-standalone could be interesting.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 11:57:04
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Vampire V500+ WIP GOLD2 AMMX and RiVA WIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4XQ15fbC6A

Unboxing of V500+

http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 14:21:04
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Vampire V500 V2+ is now officially ready for preoders !

http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 15:48:35
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@Overflow

Nice!

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 16:05:16
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I signed up. And from here on out, I plan to be patient and postive.

Now hurry up! (heh, kidding) ;)

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 16:56:21
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Quote:

Overflow wrote:
Vampire V500 V2+ is now officially ready for preoders !

http://forum.apollo-accelerators.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23
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I wonder how long for the 2000 expansion adapter board.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 17:16:35
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@pavlor

mmh..
watching a movie it isn't much interesting because you can play it with your DVD player. You don't needs a vampire for that.
They could show something more challenging.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 17:51:24
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@Seiya

You can´t expect too much from 100-150 MHz 68060 class CPU. Simple webbrowsing and Mac emulation are ideal tasks for such configuration.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 18:04:39
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@Seiya

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They could show something more challenging.


Actually it’s a real challenge, if you look at the presentation of Vampire, you see that videos are low res, 320x190 and so on, I'm not sure if some videos are 640x480, I'm not sure about what codes are used videos for compression, but most newer formats are lot more demanding the older mpg2 format.

Don't take this the wrong way, the Vampire does impress me a lot. Even if not playing blue ray films.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 18:11:05
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@Srtest

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A1222 lacking an fpu unit. What was that about?


it does not really lack a FPU, it has something else instead, that’s the problem, basically you need to recompile your programs to use the correct CPU instructions. That something else is SIMD instruction set, but it's not AltiVec.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 19:07:47
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@NutsAboutAmiga

Yes, the SPE based fpu of the processor used in the A1222 isn't ideal, but at least the product has one.
And as to the recurrent idea that the Vampire2 will somehow challenge even low end NG hardware, you guys need to stop feeding unrealistic expectations.
You'll only lead people to disappointment over what is actually a pretty neat piece of hardware.

Could we focus on legacy hardware comparisons?
Even my old Core 2 Solo laptop would bitch slap a Vampire2, and it is so dated I no longer use it and favor my Lenovo i7 laptop instead.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 22:05:18
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@Beans

Vampire is about 233mhz 68060, very nice performance, but nothing to compare even lowest PPC NG models.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 22:45:23
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@utri007

Beats the hell out of 7mhz and no ide or decent video out.

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Re: News about Vampire and Apollo
Posted on 4-Dec-2016 22:48:14
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@utri007

you guys do not understand why people want to buy Vampires with Apollo and SAGA and whatever might be added in future... it is about what could have been and how far you can get with it

It of course makes no sense but PPC running AmigaOS or MorphOS makes no sense either

In my view there is even a much bigger chance to get new software for 68k than for "NG" because sources are still there that can easily be updated, much easier than porting the software to different platforms but we will see what future brings

Of course Vampire/apollo based on FPGA will certainly never beat higher clocked PPC ASICs (at least not in near future and at affordable prices) but nobody expects that. Most costumers are happy with it and not disappointed, just the "NG" crowd (expecially the PPC supporters) bring it up all the time. How about comparing Browser benchmarks on PPC with AmigaOS or MorphOS to real world platforms or AROS on X86?

@Mr. Beans

Where is the new software for "NG" needing the power except perhaps Blender. There is almost no new software for MorphOS, there are few updates for AmigaOS and some (less) updates for AROS. Software is what platforms drive today, not hardware. Even evil Microsoft gives the development tools for free, not because they are suddenly nice people but because they understood that they can only have success with new software. You guys are too hardware centric anyway...

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