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DWolfman 
Remotely reboot an AmigaOne XE with OS 4.1 FE?
Posted on 14-Apr-2016 14:14:28
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So, is it possible?

If this was a PC, I'd use the DOS command "shutdown /m amigaone /r /t 1" to force a reboot in 1 second through the network, but we all know that won't work on an A1.

All because I locked up the Workbench while testing issues in the new smbfs while away from home.

AmiVNC is still working, I can move windows around, but clicking does nothing besides selecting and moving existing windows (left or right click on icons or Workbench background does nothing). Need to restart it so I can try again.

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Re: Remotely reboot an AmigaOne XE with OS 4.1 FE?
Posted on 14-Apr-2016 14:25:24
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@DWolfman

There is a reboot command in OS4 apparently, but I've never used it. Worth a try anyway.

If you have access to the shell, maybe you can kill the smbfs task if that's causing the problem?

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Re: Remotely reboot an AmigaOne XE with OS 4.1 FE?
Posted on 14-Apr-2016 14:38:45
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@Daedalus

I do have that command there, just can't get to anything to run it. I didn't already have a shell open, and can't open one now. So also can't try killing any processes either.

I'm usually not accessing it remotely, so it just means I have to wait until I get home or someone can restart it for me, if there isn't a way to do this remotely.

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Re: Remotely reboot an AmigaOne XE with OS 4.1 FE?
Posted on 14-Apr-2016 15:17:12
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@DWolfman

Can you send keys to it? Looking at the AmiVNC source which does insert key codes into the input stream suggests this should work. In that case a Ctrl LAlt RAlt should do the trick. Of doing a hard reset. Which looks to be what you want.

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@DWolfman

You could also try fkey and set up something like 'ctrl-esc' to run 'reboot fast'. it's unlikely you'd have access to a r-amiga equivalent so r-amiga e probably wouldn't work either. Do workbench menus work?

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Posted on 14-Apr-2016 16:46:15
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@Hypex

Well, I tried Ctrl-LAlt-RAlt from the keyboard. It doesn't appear to being intercepted by Remote Desktop (which is how I get to my home PC) or by UltraVNC (which is how I'm getting to the A1), but it also doesn't seem to do anything. And I don't have mmuch in the way of other options for the key events since UltraVNC is built for PCs (as in no easy way to insert anything other than Ctrl-Alt-Del or Ctrl-Esc).

Oh, and Ctrl-LAlt-RAlt isn't really an option. For some reason lately Uboot get's lost if I do the hard reset until I power cycle it. When I say "lost", it never puts anything on the screen and only blinks the HD activity light a couple times. Unplug power, count to 5, then plug it back in and it starts right up like normal. Soft reboots work fine, since it doesn't go back to Uboot.

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@Severin

I'll keep that in mind for later, though it's not much help right now. I'm stuck with not being able to do anything directly on the A1 right now except to move the existing windows around. That is until I can get either the wife or my son to do something with the machine.

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Son got the A1 rebooted for me, but still want to keep this thread going so we can find an easy way to do this, preferably that can be done on an existing OS4 setup without having to custom configure something.

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Posted on 14-Apr-2016 18:18:08
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@DWolfman

You can create a telnet connection, that allows you to open a remote AmigaShell. This only uses standard AmigaOS 4 stuff. I have this setup on my AOne micro that I use for debugging (along with amiganetfs to transfer my built binaries on the X1000).

Here's how you do it:
1. Open Internet prefs.

2. Go to the "Servers section", and add a new server
Choose the telnet port 23, then enter these values:
Type: Stream

Program: NewShell
Argument: *

Check "Active"
Uncheck "Wait for completion"
Check "Use socket I/O streams"

3. Use and Save, and restart network

Done!

You can now telnet to your machine from anywhere, and you should be presented wihta n Amiga shell:
telnet 23

Notes: This is very unsecure. I'd suggest atleast adding your own TCP port in the "Services" section of Internet prefs, instead of 23. I have one setup for a higher number that I call telnetdebug.
One could also perhaps just active the server when someone's connecting to the VNC server, and perhaps issue a Ringhio notification when someone's connecting to telnet.

In the "Servers" section, Argument: you can instead have "* FROM s:telnet-startup", and let the shell start from a telnet-startup script. I have a few extra assigns in my "telnet-startup"... but I guess you could add some rudimentary login dialog.

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Re: Remotely reboot an AmigaOne XE with OS 4.1 FE?
Posted on 14-Apr-2016 18:23:13
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Furhtermore to this, you can if you have another Amiga, just do an:
echo reboot > tcp:192.168.1.1/23,
to perform a reboot remotely.
Like I said, highly unsecure!

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@jaokim

Thanks! That is some good info. I'll check this out when I get home tonight.

I'm not sure I'd want it all the time though. Like you say, it is very unsecure!

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Posted on 15-Apr-2016 6:06:34
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@DWolfman

SSH would be more secure than telnet but unfortunately the server is not part of the current AmigaOS 4.x OpenSSH port.

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Posted on 15-Apr-2016 9:01:50
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@DWolfman

This has always been a keen interest for me, Amiga Remote access.

I have been looking into making a NetBus 2.0 pro server for Amiga, this will give functional access to the AmigaOS like Files/Reboot machine/Screengrab/run file, most things should correlate with the Windows Functions via using the Windows Client.

Siamese System is also a thing I dreamed of recreating for AmigaOS4.

Both of this will need protocol investigating which I did start to look into

Having both in-one could create something amazing.

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Posted on 15-Apr-2016 16:12:54
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@TheAMIgaOne

I have a setup with the telnet thing above, AmiVNC, and amiganetfs started at boot. This allows me to access my AOne Micro's partitions from my X1000 to transfer new builds, start them from remote AmigaShell, and seeing the output in TwinVNC. When my newly built program crashes, I simply send reboot to the Micro, while trying to fix the issue on the X1000, meanwhile looking at the serial debug output on my Linux machine. Works like a charm!

The only thing that stops me from using VNC on my laptop Linux is the speed of it. But with the VVA option AmiVNC is kind of usable.

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Posted on 15-Apr-2016 16:32:27
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@DWolfman

Well that key combo looked like a goer since it uses Ctrl and Alt keys found on a PC keyboard. However it may treat both Alts the same. All should get through since they can be used for certain operations in programs.

Perhaps test when you are in front of the working A1 again to see if anything gets through.

As to the UBoot hold up, sounds like the battery is on the way out. That's how mine goes when it needs replacement. It isn't recent I hope?

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Posted on 15-Apr-2016 21:20:46
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@Hypex

I'll check the battery. Since I go through those CR2032s a lot (not just for the A1), I buy them at a local dollar store when they have them. Usually in a 2 or 3 pack for a $1 (Sunbeam branded). Seem to last as long as the expensive ones that are closer to $3 or more per cell.

I also had an idea, based on Severin's fkey suggestion. Have it do the reboot command on a Ctrl-Alt-Del keypress, since that is an option in the UltraVNC viewer.

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Posted on 16-Apr-2016 3:48:03
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Yup, needed a new battery, I guess. Old one measured 3.04V. New one was at 3.3V. Now it's rebooting cleanly.

And, the FKey suggestion worked! Set up an entry that used "OS4Reboot 5" command when Ctrl-Alt-Del is pressed. Works beautifully, even through AmiVNC!

And I got the telnet streaming to Newshell option done in Internet properties as suggested. That also works, but wow that formatting is screwed up on the Windows side!

Still it worked well enough to issue the commands for rebooting.

Oh, I could not get "reboot fast" to work from FKey for some reason. OS4Reboot works, so I'll just use it.

Thanks for the help everyone, this definitely takes care of what I needed.

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@DWolfman

Sounds like a good price for a Sunbeam.

It looks like it allows PC reset through. But does Ctrl-Alt-Alt do nothing then? Just wondering.

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@Hypex

I think some keypresses are getting grabbed by the PC instead of going through VNC to the A1. Ctrl-Alt-Alt and Ctrl-Win-Win never seemed to work, though that was while the A1 was locked up. Need to try it again.

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Actually, it looks like some modifier keys (like ctrl, alt, and the Win keys) are remapped by AmiVNC4. Explained why they don't work. Still, with FKeys set up to run something with a Ctrl-Alt-Del keypress, the VNC client option to send that works fine with it.

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