Poster | Thread |
tlosm
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 5:20:09
| | [ #21 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 28-Jul-2012 Posts: 2746
From: Amiga land | | |
|
| @fishy_fis
probably you dont know the difference from software rendering and gl _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
fishy_fis
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 6:05:28
| | [ #22 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 29-Mar-2004 Posts: 2156
From: Australia | | |
|
| @tlosm
Which has exactly what to do with anything?
In a like for like comparison a p4 will destroy a Sam, whether theyre using software or hardware rendering. In fact Id put my money on a p4, using software rendering outdoing a Sam using hardware rendering.
You always go the smoke and mirrors route when someone calls you on speaking crap. You do get that its blatantly transparent right? (queue off topic, distraction centred response) Last edited by fishy_fis on 22-Jul-2016 at 06:07 AM.
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
tlosm
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 7:17:34
| | [ #23 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 28-Jul-2012 Posts: 2746
From: Amiga land | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
paolone
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 7:48:41
| | [ #24 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 24-Sep-2007 Posts: 1143
From: Unknown | | |
|
| Quote:
There's something definitely broken in your P4 test. here you can get some benchmarks run on a Pentium II 300 MHz PC with very prehistoric 3D-accelerated cards at 640x480. If you get only the double (less than 90 fps) with a 8 times more clocked processor built around a 10 years newer architecture, moreover with a unbelievably faster (than Voodoo or a Riva128, for sure) graphic card, then you are either fooling yourself, or you just ran benchmarks in a plain wrong way. Please disable all filters, disable v-sync, ensure you have correct drivers, because on a 2,4 GHz P4 machine your 54xx Radeon HD card should produce hundreds of fps. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
TRIPOS
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 9:32:02
| | [ #25 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 4-Apr-2014 Posts: 1204
From: Unknown | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
TRIPOS
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 9:35:51
| | [ #26 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 4-Apr-2014 Posts: 1204
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @paolone
Quote:
paolone wrote:
There's something definitely broken in your ... test. |
Something usually is...
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Yasu
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 12:25:46
| | [ #27 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 13-Oct-2015 Posts: 224
From: Stockholm, Sweden | | |
|
| Yes, imagine how much faster than Windows AmigaOS would be if it was written from scratch for the X5000 in ASM!
Last edited by Yasu on 22-Jul-2016 at 12:26 PM.
_________________ Amiga Forum - Sweden's best Amiga Magazine
My MorphOS Blog
"Free speech includes other peoples right to offend you." |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
tlosm
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 12:33:16
| | [ #28 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 28-Jul-2012 Posts: 2746
From: Amiga land | | |
|
| @paolone
sorry but the performance of quake on P4 2.4ghz (2002) is inline with this last performances
Software rendering too
or you are say that the pc performances of a 14years machine have to be equal to a newest one?
PS: i dont know why but here people continue write something thinking their words is bible ... but numbers are my power
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=129&cmp%5B%5D=1067
1640/230=7.13 strange quake in software mode is really near comparing the two x86 % Last edited by tlosm on 22-Jul-2016 at 04:43 PM. Last edited by tlosm on 22-Jul-2016 at 04:42 PM. Last edited by tlosm on 22-Jul-2016 at 04:40 PM. Last edited by tlosm on 22-Jul-2016 at 12:34 PM.
_________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Nicsoft
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:03:48
| | [ #29 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 5-Sep-2004 Posts: 237
From: Sweden | | |
|
| @Hans
Quote:
Hans wrote: @Rob
Quote:
Rob wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga
[quote] @Nicsoft
Hans don't have time to support HD7xxx and HD4xxx, so only HD7xxx is supported. |
It's more a case that A-EON have spent a considerable amount of money on Nova and don't feel they can justify the cost of drivers for older cards. I'm sure Hans would be happy to write drivers for HD4xx0 if someone was willing to pay at industry rates. |
No, I wouldn't. I simply don't have the time to do that too.
I'd love to see more hardware supported, but we'd need more developers working on it.
Quote:
Matthew has said that a DDK and support can be provided to anyone willing to write drivers for other hardware. |
Correct, and it would be great if there were someone (or a group) willing to give it a shot.
Hans [/quote]
The strange thing is just that ACube from 2010-2016 has the ATI RadeonHD 4650 as their "de facto-standard" graphics card. Several Sam460 (ex/cr) and AmigaOne 500 owners I know, "invested" in the HD4xxx-series cards...
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=5 http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=756 http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=7 http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=6
I can understand if A-EON don't wan't to pay for drivers unusable for their X1000 or X5000 graphics cards, but having bought the V1.7, V2.0 drivers plus the Enhancer Software package, at least I have contributed with some money...
From what I have heard (from a Linux guy) the Radeon HD4xxx-series cards are quite poorly documented, is that perhaps a contributing reason why the Warp3D / Warp3D Nova was skipped..?
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Rob
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:39:50
| | [ #30 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 20-Mar-2003 Posts: 6344
From: S.Wales | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
tlosm
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:57:52
| | [ #31 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 28-Jul-2012 Posts: 2746
From: Amiga land | | |
|
| @Nicsoft
We need only more Hans,Thomas,Lazy,Tony,M3X, Fab, Kas1e, Bigfoot (sorry for dont mention others) and more Guillaume, Tommy, Nutz,Alfkil, AmigaBlitter, Chapelly,Bzili (sorry for dont mention others) and so and so .. and need people like Amidog (sorry for dont mention others) return back . im sure this is a dream and only dream will be ... sed but true we are small comunity and years by years more smaller ... Im enjoing what i have now and hoping tomorrow will have more and better Thanks to Aeon, Acube, Amigakit, Hyperion and Mos team... _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Nicsoft
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:58:00
| | [ #32 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 5-Sep-2004 Posts: 237
From: Sweden | | |
|
| @Rob
The fastest OS I have ever used was the Real-time operating system - QNX Neutrino: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX
Lack of software made me uninstall it though...
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Nicsoft
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 19:11:48
| | [ #33 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 5-Sep-2004 Posts: 237
From: Sweden | | |
|
| @tlosm
Quote:
tlosm wrote: @Nicsoft
We need only more Hans,Thomas,Lazy,Tony,M3X, Fab, Kas1e, Bigfoot (sorry for dont mention others) and more Guillaume, Tommy, Nutz,Alfkil, AmigaBlitter, Chapelly,Bzili (sorry for dont mention others) and so and so .. and need people like Amidog (sorry for dont mention others) return back... |
Of course. But I must give Hans credit for the superb 2D drivers for Radeon™ HD 4550..! My Sam460ex works perfect regarding the graphics. The only problem I have is that Hyperions (?) USB-drivers aren't fully compatible with my Logitech keyboard and mouse. They "freezes" from time to time...
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
tlosm
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 19:22:26
| | [ #34 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 28-Jul-2012 Posts: 2746
From: Amiga land | | |
|
| @Nicsoft
Quote:
They "freezes" from time to time... |
Can be an Uboot issue and not a driver issue... who know? did you write a message about in the AmigaOs support forum? Or if you have the opportunity to install linux in your sam you can check if there the issue is present too._________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Yasu
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 19:52:41
| | [ #35 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 13-Oct-2015 Posts: 224
From: Stockholm, Sweden | | |
|
| @Rob
Quote:
I know, it's awesome! The point was that yes, with great programming the X5000 and AmigaOS can be insanely fast. But I doubt that is going to be the case here. Last edited by Yasu on 22-Jul-2016 at 07:53 PM.
_________________ Amiga Forum - Sweden's best Amiga Magazine
My MorphOS Blog
"Free speech includes other peoples right to offend you." |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
PhantomInterrogative
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 22-Jul-2016 20:35:52
| | [ #36 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 10-Sep-2004 Posts: 809
From: The Interrogative Lair | | |
|
| @Nicsoft
I run QNX on my Blackberry. If it doesn't have enough apps, I can run a decent variety of Android apps on it through emulation. _________________ I sold my SAM460ex lite... waiting for money to buy a Raspberry Pi... or a Classic A1000 with Buffee... or an A1222... and OS4.3 FE update 11 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Nicsoft
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 0:14:59
| | [ #37 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 5-Sep-2004 Posts: 237
From: Sweden | | |
|
| @tlosm
Quote:
tlosm wrote: @Nicsoft
Quote:
They "freezes" from time to time... |
Can be an Uboot issue and not a driver issue... who know? did you write a message about in the AmigaOs support forum? Or if you have the opportunity to install linux in your sam you can check if there the issue is present too. |
I have contacted Hyperion about it. But I haven't had the opportunity to install Linux. On forums, other Logitech (mouse/keyboard) users have reported similar problems.
@PhantomInterrogative Well, I used QNX Neutrino on an X86 PC some 10 years ago, and really liked it! The nice thing is the "timely processing" (I think it's called that in English) capabilities.
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hans
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 0:51:06
| | [ #38 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 27-Dec-2003 Posts: 5066
From: New Zealand | | |
|
| @Nicsoft
Quote:
Nicsoft wrote:
...
I can understand if A-EON don't wan't to pay for drivers unusable for their X1000 or X5000 graphics cards, but having bought the V1.7, V2.0 drivers plus the Enhancer Software package, at least I have contributed with some money... |
It's NOT a matter of "don't want to," it's simply not workable. AMD has millions of hardware sales to fund their development team; we do not. We don't even have a dev team. Right now it's just me and I have other stuff to do as well.
Quote:
From what I have heard (from a Linux guy) the Radeon HD4xxx-series cards are quite poorly documented, is that perhaps a contributing reason why the Warp3D / Warp3D Nova was skipped..?
|
Holes in the documentation aside, the 4xxx series cards aren't readily available any more, and nor are the 5xxx-6xxx series. The pace of obsolescence moves fast, and we have no choice but to leapfrog some steps from time to time. That's the prime reason.
As a secondary reason, the Southern Islands ISA really is better. I find it easier to use, although flow control is pretty complicated courtesy of the Single Instruction Multiple Thread (SIMT) architecture.
Hans
_________________ http://hdrlab.org.nz/ - Amiga OS 4 projects, programming articles and more. Home of the RadeonHD driver for Amiga OS 4.x project. https://keasigmadelta.com/ - More of my work. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Nicsoft
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 1:24:17
| | [ #39 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 5-Sep-2004 Posts: 237
From: Sweden | | |
|
| @Hans
OK, Which not to expensive, (good availability) passively cooled graphics card is recommended (a card that won't be "outdated" the next couple of years).
- In your opinion then? Can you recommend something from the above...
Last edited by Nicsoft on 23-Jul-2016 at 01:27 AM.
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hans
| |
Re: AmigaOne performance potential Posted on 23-Jul-2016 5:40:29
| | [ #40 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 27-Dec-2003 Posts: 5066
From: New Zealand | | |
|
| @Nicsoft
Quote:
Nicsoft wrote: @Hans
OK, Which not to expensive, (good availability) passively cooled graphics card is recommended (a card that won't be "outdated" the next couple of years).
- In your opinion then? Can you recommend something from the above...
|
Sorry, I have no idea about passive cards. You'd best ask other people what they got.
You can also have a look at the compatibility list: http://hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-driver-hardware-compatibility/
The following Southern Islands GPUs are supported: - Radeon HD 77xx-79xx series graphics card (excluding the Radeon HD 7790) - Radeon R7 250E/250X/265 - Radeon R9 270/270X/280/280X Theoretically the Radeon R7 370 and R9 370X should work too, but I don't think that anyone has tried those yet.
Hans
_________________ http://hdrlab.org.nz/ - Amiga OS 4 projects, programming articles and more. Home of the RadeonHD driver for Amiga OS 4.x project. https://keasigmadelta.com/ - More of my work. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|