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tlosm 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 5:20:09
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@fishy_fis

probably you dont know the difference from software rendering and gl

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@tlosm

Which has exactly what to do with anything?

In a like for like comparison a p4 will destroy a Sam, whether theyre using software or hardware rendering.
In fact Id put my money on a p4, using software rendering outdoing a Sam using hardware rendering.

You always go the smoke and mirrors route when someone calls you on speaking crap. You do get that its blatantly transparent right? (queue off topic, distraction centred response)

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@fishy_fis

Check the P4 2.4 ghz quake gl on radeonhd 5450 (640x480)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13690972_10206677578999723_6907521599748364557_o.jpg

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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Quote:

tlosm wrote:
@fishy_fis

Check the P4 2.4 ghz quake gl on radeonhd 5450 (640x480)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13690972_10206677578999723_6907521599748364557_o.jpg


There's something definitely broken in your P4 test. here you can get some benchmarks run on a Pentium II 300 MHz PC with very prehistoric 3D-accelerated cards at 640x480. If you get only the double (less than 90 fps) with a 8 times more clocked processor built around a 10 years newer architecture, moreover with a unbelievably faster (than Voodoo or a Riva128, for sure) graphic card, then you are either fooling yourself, or you just ran benchmarks in a plain wrong way. Please disable all filters, disable v-sync, ensure you have correct drivers, because on a 2,4 GHz P4 machine your 54xx Radeon HD card should produce hundreds of fps.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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I found out what can happen when you have the right hardware with the right driver and software that can take advantage of it. The difference that the right hardware and software can make to performance is astounding.


Yes, it's called "MorphOS".

Other benefits besides the unparalleled performance, are the unparalleled features and specs, the unparalleled Amiga compatibility, the unparalleled stability and the rich flora of available mainstream H/W that represents the Peak of PPC era that literally can be obtained for pocket change...



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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@paolone

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paolone wrote:

There's something definitely broken in your ... test.


Something usually is...

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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Yes, imagine how much faster than Windows AmigaOS would be if it was written from scratch for the X5000 in ASM!

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tlosm 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 12:33:16
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@paolone

sorry but the performance of quake on P4 2.4ghz (2002) is inline with this last performances



Software rendering too

or you are say that the pc performances of a 14years machine have to be equal to a newest one?

PS: i dont know why but here people continue write something thinking their words is bible ... but numbers are my power

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=129&cmp%5B%5D=1067

1640/230=7.13
strange quake in software mode is really near comparing the two x86 %

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:03:48
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@Hans

Quote:

Hans wrote:
@Rob

Quote:

Rob wrote:
@NutsAboutAmiga

[quote]
@Nicsoft

Hans don't have time to support HD7xxx and HD4xxx, so only HD7xxx is supported.


It's more a case that A-EON have spent a considerable amount of money on Nova and don't feel they can justify the cost of drivers for older cards. I'm sure Hans would be happy to write drivers for HD4xx0 if someone was willing to pay at industry rates.

No, I wouldn't. I simply don't have the time to do that too.

I'd love to see more hardware supported, but we'd need more developers working on it.

Quote:
Matthew has said that a DDK and support can be provided to anyone willing to write drivers for other hardware.

Correct, and it would be great if there were someone (or a group) willing to give it a shot.

Hans
[/quote]

The strange thing is just that ACube from 2010-2016 has the ATI RadeonHD 4650 as their
"de facto-standard" graphics card. Several Sam460 (ex/cr) and AmigaOne 500 owners I know,
"invested" in the HD4xxx-series cards...

http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=5
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=756
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=7
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=6

I can understand if A-EON don't wan't to pay for drivers unusable for their X1000 or X5000 graphics cards, but having bought the V1.7, V2.0 drivers plus the Enhancer Software package,
at least I have contributed with some money...

From what I have heard (from a Linux guy) the Radeon HD4xxx-series cards are quite
poorly documented, is that perhaps a contributing reason why the Warp3D / Warp3D Nova was skipped..?

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@Yasu

I've never tried it out but MenuetOS is written ins x86/x64 assembly.

http://www.menuetos.net/

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tlosm 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:57:52
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@Nicsoft

We need only more Hans,Thomas,Lazy,Tony,M3X, Fab, Kas1e, Bigfoot (sorry for dont mention others) and more Guillaume, Tommy, Nutz,Alfkil, AmigaBlitter, Chapelly,Bzili (sorry for dont mention others) and so and so .. and need people like Amidog (sorry for dont mention others) return back .
im sure this is a dream and only dream will be ... sed but true we are small comunity and years by years more smaller ...
Im enjoing what i have now and hoping tomorrow will have more and better Thanks to Aeon, Acube, Amigakit, Hyperion and Mos team...

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 18:58:00
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@Rob

The fastest OS I have ever used was the Real-time operating system - QNX Neutrino:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX

Lack of software made me uninstall it though...

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 19:11:48
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@tlosm

Quote:

tlosm wrote:
@Nicsoft

We need only more Hans,Thomas,Lazy,Tony,M3X, Fab, Kas1e, Bigfoot (sorry for dont mention others) and more Guillaume, Tommy, Nutz,Alfkil, AmigaBlitter, Chapelly,Bzili (sorry for dont mention others) and so and so .. and need people like Amidog (sorry for dont mention others) return back...


Of course. But I must give Hans credit for the superb 2D drivers for Radeon™ HD 4550..!
My Sam460ex works perfect regarding the graphics. The only problem I have is that Hyperions (?)
USB-drivers aren't fully compatible with my Logitech keyboard and mouse. They "freezes" from time to time...

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
Posted on 22-Jul-2016 19:22:26
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@Nicsoft

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They "freezes" from time to time...

Can be an Uboot issue and not a driver issue... who know?
did you write a message about in the AmigaOs support forum?
Or if you have the opportunity to install linux in your sam you can check if there the issue is present too.

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Posted on 22-Jul-2016 19:52:41
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@Rob

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Rob wrote:
@Yasu

I've never tried it out but MenuetOS is written ins x86/x64 assembly.

http://www.menuetos.net/


I know, it's awesome! The point was that yes, with great programming the X5000 and AmigaOS can be insanely fast. But I doubt that is going to be the case here.

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Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@Nicsoft

I run QNX on my Blackberry. If it doesn't have enough apps, I can run a decent variety of Android apps on it through emulation.

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Nicsoft 
Re: AmigaOne performance potential
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@tlosm

Quote:

tlosm wrote:
@Nicsoft

Quote:
They "freezes" from time to time...

Can be an Uboot issue and not a driver issue... who know?
did you write a message about in the AmigaOs support forum?
Or if you have the opportunity to install linux in your sam you can check if there the issue is present too.


I have contacted Hyperion about it. But I haven't had the opportunity to install Linux.
On forums, other Logitech (mouse/keyboard) users have reported similar problems.

@PhantomInterrogative
Well, I used QNX Neutrino on an X86 PC some 10 years ago, and really liked it!
The nice thing is the "timely processing" (I think it's called that in English) capabilities.

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@Nicsoft

Quote:

Nicsoft wrote:

...

I can understand if A-EON don't wan't to pay for drivers unusable for their X1000 or X5000 graphics cards, but having bought the V1.7, V2.0 drivers plus the Enhancer Software package,
at least I have contributed with some money...

It's NOT a matter of "don't want to," it's simply not workable. AMD has millions of hardware sales to fund their development team; we do not. We don't even have a dev team. Right now it's just me and I have other stuff to do as well.

Quote:
From what I have heard (from a Linux guy) the Radeon HD4xxx-series cards are quite
poorly documented, is that perhaps a contributing reason why the Warp3D / Warp3D Nova was skipped..?

Holes in the documentation aside, the 4xxx series cards aren't readily available any more, and nor are the 5xxx-6xxx series. The pace of obsolescence moves fast, and we have no choice but to leapfrog some steps from time to time. That's the prime reason.

As a secondary reason, the Southern Islands ISA really is better. I find it easier to use, although flow control is pretty complicated courtesy of the Single Instruction Multiple Thread (SIMT) architecture.

Hans

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@Hans

OK, Which not to expensive, (good availability) passively cooled graphics card
is recommended (a card that won't be "outdated" the next couple of years).

- In your opinion then? Can you recommend something from the above...

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@Nicsoft

Quote:

Nicsoft wrote:
@Hans

OK, Which not to expensive, (good availability) passively cooled graphics card
is recommended (a card that won't be "outdated" the next couple of years).

- In your opinion then? Can you recommend something from the above...

Sorry, I have no idea about passive cards. You'd best ask other people what they got.

You can also have a look at the compatibility list:
http://hdrlab.org.nz/projects/amiga-os-4-projects/radeonhd-driver/radeonhd-driver-hardware-compatibility/

The following Southern Islands GPUs are supported:
- Radeon HD 77xx-79xx series graphics card (excluding the Radeon HD 7790)
- Radeon R7 250E/250X/265
- Radeon R9 270/270X/280/280X
Theoretically the Radeon R7 370 and R9 370X should work too, but I don't think that anyone has tried those yet.

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