@kamelit0

he is not completely wrong in the blog except:

"AmigaOS would be completely on the pair with Windows and MacOS of today" if ported to X86 (he propably meant X64 or to be more precise AMD64)

porting it would be only small step, to be on par with big platforms you would need heavy changes in the OS breaking any compatibility and even if OS would be on par with the other platforms you still would not have a competitive software base. Best example for that is BeOS.

Blablablablabla....

Case opened and closed on Morphzone days ago. Do try to keep up.

People get angry if spent tens of thousands in the Hobby like here.

PR is in the waitstate mode;)

It's true that some News would be good like AEon:s Trevor does.

My job/companies would be down under within days if not any reply/info. It just is like that todays.

Hopefully We get a nice surprise after all the waiting.

No Stress from here.

Are you guys really talking about Helgis posts? He surely has some mental issues, it not just this but seems that some of you don't know or remember past issues. He started to hate someone and start to throwing mud all aroud. Not just mud, but really sicko texts about other human beings.


x64 thing is talked to death already.

1. Normal x64 hardware is manufactured usually just one batch.

A) who will port drivers for new hardware every second month?
B) Who will buy enough mobos that it is enough for next ten years?
c) Are we going to only run Amiga OS under virtual layer in future?

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@utri007

Its not about one man.

Its about communication, of lack thereof.

And examples how its done better. I concede its a subjective perspective, but thru my 42 years on this earth, Ive never seen people get upset over wealth of information. Rather the opposite.

Its one of the reasons I enjoy AeonKits approach, even tho they seem to have reduced the infomation flow a bit. But they still show regular signs of life and updates.

So dont focus on ONE person, rather the bigger picture. The issue, not the sympthom etc.

@utri007

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x64 thing is talked to death already.

If you already came to that conclusion, why do you immediately start discusssing x64 again right after stating it? Or maybe you have a different definition of 'discussion' than the rest of us ("I get to say whatever I feel like saying, you guys shut up")?

@utri007

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Dunno it was so bad quoting Helgis posts, neither know he has some problems!!

I have bad memory for names and nicknames and I just reported this strange blog news for a matter of curiosity without even remember who was/is Helgis...

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@kamelit0

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kamelit0 wrote: http://hkvalhea1-500.blogspot.fr/2016/07/an-uncertain-future.html Kamelito

https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-Jetson-TX1-Development-Kit/dp/B017NWO6LG

Limited production numbers such as NVIDIA's ARM based Jetson TX1 (Terga X1) dev kit motherboard and SoC are expensive i.e. $599.99 USD.


Non-dev kit NVIDIA Shield TV (TX1) is priced $199 USD.

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@Hammer

it is a ghost discussion anyway because it will never happen otherwise Trevor would have wasted lots of money for the new PPC hardware but the current situation with no available hardware or the moon prices of X1000 are not satisfying either

But as I wrote... just theoretical

@OlafS25

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I would argue it's irrelevant, he most likely "wasted" most of the investment into AOS4.
Sooner or later, either Hyperion or A-eon, will have to finance an ISA switch because there's nowhere to go after e6500.

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X86/64 will only bring more power if you can port your apps/OS.
What is really needed in today world is a secure OS, meaning full memory protection and all it's security techniques, full SMP would be nice too, all this need to break compatibility and it seems that Amigans are not ready for this.
Kamelito

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ah Helgis, the original Franko

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WolfToTheMoon wrote: ...Sooner or later, either Hyperion or A-eon, will have to finance an ISA switch because there's nowhere to go after e6500.

hmm that's been said many many times and yet PPC is still around

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@WolfToTheMoon

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Sooner or later, either Hyperion or A-eon, will have to finance an ISA switch

Already done.

@klx300r

PPC is still around, so is 68K, so is 650x... But they're not a tool for desktop computing anymore.

And I honestly do not believe Trevor will be investing any more of his money into PPC HW as long as he doesn't own OS4. This situation with X5000 and Hyperion will probably make him think twice about new HW project.

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Don't forget Tabor and aCube. Tabor is much more interesting, specially if it cost about 300-400€

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@ WolfToTheMoon

this is very true about the delay with the already stocked X5000's waiting for Hyperion & i suppose with tabor too

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@kamelit0

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kamelit0 wrote: Apple couldn't stop Hackintosh when they move to x86, so it is a dead end as you'll to support one piece of HW configuration and nobody will understand why their HW is not supported. X86/64 will only bring more power if you can port your apps/OS. What is really needed in today world is a secure OS, meaning full memory protection and all it's security techniques, full SMP would be nice too, all this need to break compatibility and it seems that Amigans are not ready for this. Kamelito

The "Amigans" known also as MorphOS users & developers are "ready for this", or they are getting "ready for this", as the MorphOS Dev. Team has confirmed that work on a new x64 compatible version of MorphOS has begun some months ago (maybe even a year or more ago).

After what Helgis claimed about me (before eventually back-tracking), I'd take anything he says with a heavy dose of industrial salts.

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OlafS25 wrote: @Hammer it is a ghost discussion anyway because it will never happen otherwise Trevor would have wasted lots of money for the new PPC hardware but the current situation with no available hardware or the moon prices of X1000 are not satisfying either But as I wrote... just theoretical

My point was NVIDIA is not immune to high price limited numbers dev motherboard + SoC kits.

NVIDIA's Shield TV is being produced in numbers.

PPC has a problem with "chicken and egg" scenario.

Another problem and opportunity... if ARM Holdings plc (UK) is sold to Japanese corporate entity, PRC(China) may object to the use of ARM CPU IP.


MS Surface Phone with Intel Atom SoC X86 and full blown Windows 10 X86 would be disruptive against ARM i.e. an office Wintel PC in my pocket.





http://www.streetinsider.com/Insiders+Blog/Global+Tablet+Shipments+Fell+8%25+in+Q2,+While+ASPs+Rose+9%25+-+Report+(AAPL)+(GOOG)/11879907.html

ARM tablets(not iPad pro) are down with 2-in-1 Wintel PC tablets gaining market share.

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