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Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
Posted on 7-Aug-2016 21:56:25
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I noticed that their online store pretty much showed that they're out of hardware in general as 'out of stock'.

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been that way for some time now.

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
Posted on 7-Aug-2016 22:07:00
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What's up with the lack of Minimigs?

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
Posted on 7-Aug-2016 22:54:08
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They sold out years ago. They are making an AGA version called Minimig+, but it's not finished.

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
Posted on 8-Aug-2016 2:09:13
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@Yasu


They are making an AGA version called Minimig+, but it's not finished.

it would be pretty nice if ther make an apollo core version

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Posted on 8-Aug-2016 19:22:12
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You may want to check out both, the MiST FPGA (uses the Minimig core) and the FPGA Replay. These two machines offer hardware emulation, just like the Minimig did.
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@Yasu


They are making an AGA version called Minimig+, but it's not finished.

it would be pretty nice if ther make an apollo core version

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
Posted on 8-Aug-2016 19:27:17
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The MiniMig had a real 68000 soldered on it. But indeed MiST is a good option (even if the core hasn't been updated since 6 months).

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
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I noticed that their online store pretty much showed that they're out of hardware in general as 'out of stock'.


The usual state for OS4 H/W has since the beginning been either "Out of Stock" or "Out of Reach [due to insane prices]".

You can't buy OS4 H/W. Nothing new. It's normal.

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Posted on 8-Aug-2016 20:37:34
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Sold out. Highly successful products in Amiga terms.

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sold out means great success for acube mobos... now just wait 1222

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Having discontinued the Sam460 way before the A1222 is available (and I don't think it will be anytime soon) is a huge mistake.

Potential customers willing to buy a Sam460cr can't anymore whereas there is no hardware available at all at the moment.

Sam460 is a best seller in the Amiga world and I think that, even if there are agreements between A-Eon and ACube, Sam460 should have been available until Tabor is out.

Everybody is loosing here : resellers, customers and A-Eon/Acube (less users, leaving potential users and less softwares being sold from AmiStore).

A new batch of Sam460 should really be thought about.

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The SAM460ex/cr are also more expandable (more slots) than the upcoming Tabor. You could liken it to discontinuing the very popular and expandable A500 so that the un-expandable A600 could sell a few units. Mind you, thirty years from now someone may make a Vampire core for the Tabor making it the best Amiga EVER!

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Posted on 9-Aug-2016 11:17:42
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The usual state for OS4 H/W has since the beginning been either "Out of Stock" or "Out of Reach [due to insane prices]".


no, no, no you forget the the third and most common case: "it will be available tomorrow or next week, in worst case next month, for sure..." it was later replaced with shorter, more universal but less promising "when it is done"

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
Posted on 9-Aug-2016 11:19:15
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@K-L

It is matter of economics. Producing new batch costs money so in order to get money back from the production the batch must be sold in reasonable time scale.

Apart from low (slow) demand there can be other reasons like sourcing components.

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Re: Acube really out of Sam hardware to sell?
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The SAM460ex/cr are also more expandable (more slots) than the upcoming Tabor. You could liken it to discontinuing the very popular and expandable A500 so that the un-expandable A600 could sell a few units.


On the Sam460cr you need to take up the expansion slots with a sound card and SATA controller since there is no provision for either on the board. Even the 460ex is likely to have the PCI slot taken up by a SATA controller so it's not really much more expandable than Tabor.

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@Rob

Quite true. Even on the 460ex, hardly anyone uses the onboard graphics or SATA2 connector; thus, the slots are usually filled. Of course the user has a little bit of choice of which cards to fill those slots. On Tabor, you only get to choose the graphics card.

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On Tabor, we still don't know if evrythinh will be supported (remember the ethernet chip of the X1000 ?).

For Sam460cr, ACube recognized that the driver for internal SATA / internal Sound / internal graphic were lacking in term of stability and/or functionnality.

They just gor rid of them so any Sam460cr came preconfigured with, indeed, all slots populated but evrything was working straight away (see the Red One X from Relec).

If Tabor, like the X1000, lack drivers for some parts, you'll face the lack of expandibility quiete quickly.

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I think most users don't feel the need for anything other than a video card these days. I don't know anyone who's used a discrete audio card since the early 2000s.

The only reason my X1000 has anything other than a video card is because there isn't a driver available for the onboard network port.

When Trevor first showed the Cyrus and Cyrus+ boards, he told me they'd already scrapped plans to put Cyrus into production because the smaller board offered no cost saving over Cyrus+. If A-EON ever produce an E6500 based system I'd happily pay the same price for an ITX as they'd charge for the full ATX board.

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Posted on 9-Aug-2016 15:10:07
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On Tabor, we still don't know if evrythinh will be supported (remember the ethernet chip of the X1000 ?).


Tabor doesn't have the luxury of spare expansion slots so they can't afford to release it without a full set of drivers.

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Posted on 9-Aug-2016 18:08:25
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@Rob

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Tabor doesn't have the luxury of spare expansion slots so they can't afford to release it without a full set of drivers.


And this is why Tabor won't be out anytime soon. And this is why Sam460cr should not have been discontinued so quickly. They even could have lived together for a little moment, the time for Tabor to be fully supported by amigaOS 4.1 and thus Sam460 could have faded away nicely.

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