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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 14-Oct-2016 16:32:35
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| @Spectre660 Quote:
The SATA cards supported under AmigaOS 4.1 are all pci versions. |
Too bad. A PCIe SATA card woul have been the best solution for me. Quote:
The Pciex1 sound cards supported under AmigaOS 4.1 are the CMI8738 and the Envyht24 . |
I found some inexpensive CMI8738 PCIe sound cards. Is there a particular CMI8738 based sound card that has been tested on the X5000?
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 14-Oct-2016 18:02:13
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EDIT: I see that SinanG mentions that Envy 24HT works but haven't yet found one for less that $200. I don't need a sound studio; are there any cheaper PCIe sound cards that will work in the X5000? |
I bought it last year from ACube, it was cheap back then..But it seems it is hard to find it.
I hope at some point HDMI Audio or USB Sound Card is supported by AmigaOS4. They are supported by Linux on X5K.._________________ AmigaOS4 Beta-Tester ---------------------------------- Amiga X5000 8GB Radeon RX 560 Amiga A1222 2GB Radeon RX 550 Sam 460 2GB RadeonRX 550 |
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 14-Oct-2016 18:51:33
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| @Xenic
I don't have an X5000 but I do have all models of the SATA card models and the sound cards .
I have only seen one model of the CMI8738 pciex1 .
CMI8738
Amigakit have a listing of a card for preorder .
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 15-Oct-2016 12:26:35
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Yes it is the same model you can find a lot cheaper on ebay: they are from China and UK (from chinese reseller) but capacitors seem to be worst and I don't know if it should be a valuable purchase |
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 15-Oct-2016 13:24:14
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Spectre660 wrote: @Xenic
I don't have an X5000 but I do have all models of the SATA card models and the sound cards .
I have only seen one model of the CMI8738 pciex1 .
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Weird, as cmi8738 is a 32bit pci v2.1 bus chip. the other chip on the board must be a bridge.
http://www.cmedia.com.tw/products/PCI_PCIe_AUDIO/CMI8738-LX
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 15-Oct-2016 17:20:13
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| @Spectre660 A news item at amiga-news.de shows 3 shops selling X5000 and they all have a full WEB page for X5000. Other than the sound card preorder link you pointed out, I can't find an order page for X5000 at AmigaKit. I've dealt with AmigaKit before and would prefer to get it from them but at this point it looks like I'll need to go elsewhere.
EDIT: Since the seller at NewEgg had horrible reviews, I found a seller at Amazon that had one CMI8738 left in stock and I ordered it since was only $15. Hopefully I can test it in my X1000 when it arrives.
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 15-Oct-2016 17:25:26
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I hope at some point HDMI Audio |
I had made a request in amigaos forum in hyperion . Lazy write was thinking to make an audio driver but was 1 y ago and i think will be need two more amiga weeks_________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 16-Oct-2016 4:25:22
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| My audio card is a PCIe CMI8738. I bought it from a local DIY computer store for about $30.
At the moment "hot-switching" of SATA is not yet implemented. Hopefully we will be able to support SATA port expanders one day, too, but not yet.
As tekmage pointed out, the third slot is a Xorro slot, but it has a "normal" PCIe x 4 connector at one end, so you can use it for either.
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 16-Oct-2016 18:10:05
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| @tonyw Quote:
At the moment "hot-switching" of SATA is not yet implemented. Hopefully we will be able to support SATA port expanders one day, too, but not yet. |
I don't "hot-switch" with my Delock eSATAp adapter on my X1000. I connect the external drive before turning on the X1000 and after booting I mount the external drive with SYS:Mounter. After backing up to the external drive, I turn off the X1000 and remove the external drive. For backups I don't really need "hot-switching"._________________ X1000 with 2GB memory & OS4.1FE |
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 16-Oct-2016 18:43:30
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 16-Oct-2016 21:26:58
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 16-Oct-2016 23:03:02
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Similar, but not identical. Mine has only four sockets on the back, not five like yours. The rest of the card looks similar, so mine might just be a cheaper version. Mine also uses different caps, slightly bigger, but in the same places.
Any card with a CMI8738 chipset will work just fine. _________________ cheers tony
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 16-Oct-2016 23:54:13
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Neither of those cards offers the sound quality of the older ENVY24 card PCI cards I am used to using. And the VIA based sound card's output is generally pretty terrible without some mods to increase the quality of the capacitors onboard and change some poorly selected capacitor values.
Then again, $9 for the CMI based card is a pretty darned good value.
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 17-Oct-2016 19:10:33
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 18-Oct-2016 16:24:25
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Oh well... This is the first clear flaw in X5000 I hear :(. It will complicate the use of Linux distros as it is always wise to have them on a separate hard disk. And it means that you cannot cold boot from a SCSI disk, either... Sigh. |
Why is this a flaw? You want to boot and access a SCSI disk? Why? If you had data on a SCSI disk I could see why if you wanted to transfer it across. In that case a PCI card with OS4 driiver should be fine.
Otherwise a USB to SCSI adaptor should do the job.
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As a quick work-around, is it possible to use and boot from SATA disks via USB-port (using an USB-SATA adapter)? |
Should be able to if USB is a boot method. Do you intend to have backup disks or alternates for booting? eSATA should also work. Could be better.
The easiest thing would be to simply plug in a SATA HDD into the mobo SATA ports. It can actually boot. And off an actual HDD.
Noi I haven't seen it do that but I'm certain of it. |
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 18-Oct-2016 18:39:31
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Is the onboard Gigabit ethernet on the X5000 the same as the ethernet on the X1000? In other words, if the developers get the ethernet driver working on the X5000, will it also work on the X1000? Or, will X1/5000 users have to use an ethernet card for the forseeable future?
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 18-Oct-2016 19:24:12
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| @Hypex >Why is this a flaw? You want to boot and access a SCSI disk? Why? If you had data on a SCSI disk I >could see why if you wanted to transfer it across. In that case a PCI card with OS4 driiver should be fine.
Why NOT? It is always good to have several possibilities (especially when something goes wrong with the Mobo controller/disks ;), it is not anything away from you or anyone else... I have learned to trust on SCSI disks, many of which were made for servers and will last a very long time, in contrast to modern, cheap Sata drives. Also the SCSI cables/connectors are much more reliable that the Sata ones (which loosen easily and you get your disk corrupted...). You can also have up to 16 units/controller, including scanners etc, thus no need for several controllers! Then you can easily spin and stop SCSI disks with simple cli commands (if using them e.g. for backup), no need to plug/unblug them if not wanted to run continuously.
>The easiest thing would be to simply plug in a SATA HDD into the mobo SATA ports. It can actually >boot. And off an actual HDD.
Indeed... The only problem is that there only two of those ports, as already discussed ;). Maybe the production of X1000 was stopped too early - they could now be sold as low-cost disk/boot servers for X5000...
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 19-Oct-2016 9:22:01
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 19-Oct-2016 9:46:38
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Re: X5000: technical details Posted on 19-Oct-2016 10:45:13
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