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kamelit0 
68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4...
Posted on 6-Mar-2017 14:21:54
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I'm wondering if there is a list of 68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4 but that users would like to see them working.

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lionstorm 
Re: 68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4...
Posted on 6-Mar-2017 16:03:21
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@kamelit0

AFAIK the list is here : http://www.intuitionbase.com/

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Re: 68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4...
Posted on 6-Mar-2017 19:07:07
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@lionstorm

Thanks, and on this list, what are the ones (non working) that Amigans miss the most?
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pavlor 
Re: 68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4...
Posted on 6-Mar-2017 19:12:52
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@kamelit0

DPaint (but this one doesn´t work even on 68k RTG Amiga).

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Paul 
Re: 68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4...
Posted on 6-Mar-2017 21:49:05
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@kamelit0

Pagestream (since the OS4 version never did work)

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Posted on 6-Mar-2017 21:51:53
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@pavlor
which version are we talking about? IIRC I read somewhere that some code was put in the OS to help DPaint working.
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Posted on 7-Mar-2017 0:07:25
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@pavlor

Yeah it does. I use versions of both 4.x and 5.x on Amithlon, which is RTG only.
Only certain versions seem to work though. Others crash at either screen mode requestor, or shortly after selecting a screen mode.

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pavlor 
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Posted on 7-Mar-2017 15:26:30
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@fishy_fis

Quote:
Yeah it does.


It runs, but some tools and requesters are broken on RTG.

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pavlor 
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Posted on 7-Mar-2017 15:30:02
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IIRC I read somewhere that some code was put in the OS to help DPaint working.


4.0 Final Update introduced enhanced support for planar screen emulation. However, some DPaint features (eg. two overlapping screens in palette editing) require far more chipset features.

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Posted on 7-Mar-2017 18:53:42
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@Paul

Page Stream works on OS4.1F1Update1

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BigD 
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Posted on 8-Mar-2017 18:00:47
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@pavlor

Does Brilliance or TV Paint work?

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wawa 
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Posted on 8-Mar-2017 18:29:25
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Does Brilliance or TV Paint work?


i dont see the reason tvp shouldnt, but brilliance also needs two overlapping planar screens with the different depths/resolutions.

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Posted on 8-Mar-2017 22:10:48
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@wawa

TV Paint doesn't seem that easy to get working plus the cursor becomes hard to follow on modern screen sizes.

Amigans.net: TV Paint on OS 4.1

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@kamelit0 Quote:
I'm wondering if there is a list of 68k applications or OS friendly games that do not work under OS4 but that users would like to see them working.

68k "OS friendly games" don't really exist. Even when they used RTG and/or AHI, they still usually managed to make some unreasonable assumptions, such as:
* CIA chip for timing.
* Banging the hardware for keyboard/joystick input.
* Using the OS to obtain the audio channels in a system-friendly way, but then use Paula directly to actually generate the sounds.

And even PowerUp/WarpUp PPC games would do things like poke Paula (instead of being OS friendly) to avoid 68k/PPC context switches that would otherwise kill performance, or assume a certain memory layout.

I'm not saying that 100% system friendly Classic Amiga games don't exist, but just that they are so extremely rare that expecting any of them to work on OS4 (without emulation or special patches) is a bit unreasonable.

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@ChrisH

SimCity 2000 seems like an unoptimised OS friendly (and slow) game. Does this work? someone said AGA planar screens are supported now?

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pavlor 
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Posted on 9-Mar-2017 15:36:49
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@BigD

TVPaint works for me.

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SimCity 2000 seems like an unoptimised OS friendly (and slow) game. Does this work? someone said AGA planar screens are supported now?


Works on OS4 Classic (when full moon and with some magic). Not working on AmigaOne.

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Mufa 
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Posted on 9-Mar-2017 16:19:01
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@pavlor
A few years ago I played Sim City 2000 on my X1000 (enabled Ciagent and without sound), but the AmigaOS 41 FE, although the game starts it then freeze.

Here are the games 68k that work on my X1000 (sorry text in Polish):
part I
http://www.amigaone.pl/?p=1023

part II
http://www.amigaone.pl/?p=2163

part III (Classic Games 68k then compiled for AmigaOS 4)
http://www.amigaone.pl/?p=2177

part IV (reimplementation and engines)
http://www.amigaone.pl/?p=2189

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BigD 
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Posted on 9-Mar-2017 18:14:26
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@Mufa

Awesome to see that Napalm now works after a library was rewritten! That's a deal maker for me as that's one of my favourite games!

Also SimCity 2000 works on the X1000 just without sound.

I always found the sound buggy on a classic Amiga anyway and the music would cut out after a while or the playing of a certain sound effect on my 060 system

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pavlor 
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Posted on 9-Mar-2017 18:17:37
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@BigD

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Also SimCity 2000 works on the X1000 just without sound.


Only if you are lucky... better to use DosBox or Basilisk 2 for this purpose.

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Why 
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Posted on 9-Mar-2017 19:52:32
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@ribdevil

Hi,

Which version/s of PageStream?

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@Paul

Page Stream works on OS4.1F1Update1

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