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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 11:08:00
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Yeah, that's the thing, in order to develop graphics card drivers, the SDK was already commercial, so it's not like they're taking away something that was freely available. Again, it can't really be worse than that, and maybe it'll even improve by becoming cheaper, or even free. Let's wait and see before we go running for those well-used pitchforks.


It's already looking like this will be the case, so that's a great improvement already. From Jens:

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Further, I will open up the API of P96 for free. Tobias&Alexander's model of "two sources of income" (one from shareware fees and the other from paid API support) didn't work out. The UAE driver was used many times to reverse the API, and it was not clear if this was fully legal, as the UAE driver has put parts of the closed-source API under GPL. I really don't want to start yet another discussion about "was it legal or not" and "is it legal to use this information". As a result of past discussions, the best we can agree on is that it's a legal grey zone, as all sides have valid points.

I will end this legal grey zone by opening the API in my tech Wiki (wiki.icomp.de). This will allow hobby-projects to write drivers with full 2D acceleration support. VA2000 and Vampire can already be considered "taken out of this legal grey zone" with this announcement. Just give me some time to make the Wiki page.


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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 11:11:09
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Company whose idea of update is updated copyrights working with Hardware vendor known from bad software support....


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@Daedalus

Big if true.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@BSzili

Agree! I will be quite happy to eat my words if it turns out to be true! Exactly what P96 needs right now.

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@All

If you want a niche market to become popular outside of the niche, you have to make it accessible outside of the niche. In a few words: pretending to call the Amiga one a 'market' today is plain silly. Keeping all technologies 'obscure' and 'to be paid for' developments, when the platform itself is starving and struggling not-to-die is, well, auto-destructive.

Good move to buy Picasso96, and even better to document and release its API. But the best move at all would be making everything of it open source, with a BSD-like license.

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@ Daedalus:

great news and win for all

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What kind of improvment can P96 get now?
There will be the possibility to use with reaction/intuition in a better way?
HW acceleration?
Antialiasing drawing?




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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
Posted on 13-Apr-2017 15:48:31
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OK, I am positively surprised, and a little miffed since I now have so much popcorn... :D

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@Acill

Yep. Finally it will be possible to develop proper drivers without tedious reverse engineering. Even better, Jens said P96 won't be removed from aminet, which has been a trend with old software bought up recently.

http://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2017-04-00021-EN.html

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Re: Picasso96 sold to Hyperion & Individual Computers
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@paolone

How much P96 is still in AROS?

I have heard it's one of the reasons for slow GFX speed on AROS 68k.

@Apollo and Amiga Users.

Maybe it would be better if there where open source GFX libraries for Amiga or Apollo, may someone show ask Frank Mariak, )96 is a CGX3 clone, maybe it would be better using the original drivers.

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How much P96 is still in AROS?


there aint any p96 in aros. aros has a rtg subsystem called cybergraphics, api compatible to cgx3, which, guess what, p96 also happens to be compatible to.

aros68k provides wrapper for popular 68k p96 device drivers, for use with actual rtg cards or real amigas. and thats about it.

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I have heard it's one of the reasons for slow GFX speed on AROS 68k.


the slowness may be caused because full color chunky imagery is used internally, while color conversion or reduction to lower depth or planar modes. its an issue with gfx subsystem , but this has nothing to do with p96 as such.

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Posted on 13-Apr-2017 23:11:31
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@wawa

I realize that you are keeping up with the much longer thread on A1k, but I thought it would be interesting to mention a couple of things that Jens posted. If google translate is in any error, please correct me.

(1) Jens virtually did not negotiate with Tobias and Alexander. They named a price. Period.

(2) Jens stated that it will take years, if not decades to reach a break even point.

(3) When a poster mentions a price range in a posting "1K-5k", Jens responds "Then I would not have needed Hyperion to finance the project together.

Of course, the amount is not six digits, but I will not go further on the price discussion."

Is the above an somewhat accurate translation?

Courtesy of all the above information to www.a1k.org

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@number6

hey 6 good to see you around again

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Is the above an somewhat accurate translation?


yes.

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@wawa

Right, cybergraphics, as in CybergraphX which IS what P96 is compatible with.

Again, a component created by a founding member of the MorphOS team, latter adopted by Phase5.

With apologies to those that weren't paying attention YEARS ago, we (the community) were adding to Amiga OS and developing its new direction when this whole mess got highjacked.

If you're on the sidelines, or don't quite get the whole blue vs red thing, then I'll explain it from my perspective.

We ALMOST managed to keep things going, then Hyperion got involved and you wound up waiting a DECADE until a commercial OS was released.

"Real" AmigaOS? Its a dead issue because of these people some of YOU think you can rely on.

Wonder why there's hard feelings?

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we (the community) were adding to Amiga OS

Out of curiosity, what did you contribute to AmigaOS to justify this "we" claim?

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@Trixie

I'm not blowing my own horn here, but I contribute, to this day and as far back as the '80s.
AND, I'm contributing RIGHT NOW, by reminding you that you all owe my friend Frank Mariak for the original push for retargetable graphics in the first place.

BTW - When I look at your picture and the name you've chosen for yourself, I still can't tell if you're a man or a woman.

Edit - You DO look at little like Bill Maher, though.

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AmigaBlitter wrote:
What kind of improvment can P96 get now?
There will be the possibility to use with reaction/intuition in a better way?
HW acceleration?
Antialiasing drawing?


You stole questions I wanna ask...

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@iggy

Quote:

iggy wrote:
@Trixie

BTW - When I look at your picture and the name you've chosen for yourself, I still can't tell if you're a man or a woman.


what has that to do with anything?

Just address him with "Trixie"

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iggy 
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what has that to do with anything?


That should be fairly obvious.

"Trixie", snide as usual, decided to divert the conversation with "...what did you contribute to AmigaOS to justify this "we" claim?"

I'm not here to justify myself, or explain to someone that speaks English as a second language why, in common English convention, anyone in a community would use the term "we".

So, perhaps it was a tad childish to make that observation. But it IS a remarkably effeminate photo, and I don't know of any men who would use a nickname like "Trixie".

PLUS, I've been dying to ask, ever since I first saw that photo.
So, after one too many BS comments by "Trixie", I relented to the urge.

I'm deathly tired of the mean spirited crap that goes on here, and in other Amiga related forums.
But don't abuse me, or you're likely to find that I'm far better at being a real a'hole than any of you.

AND, to reiterate, I have been a contributing part of the Motorola hardware/software community since the 6800 processor was introduced.So, I don't need crap from people that think I need to justify myself. Is THAT enough explanation?

OH, and to get back to my point (which WAS included in the comment you took offense to), RTG software was created by a MorphOS developer. So yeah, P96 IS based on CybergraphX V3, and there's a CybergraphX V4, and V5 is incorporated into MorphOS.
So P96 gets to be officially owned by Hyperion and will no doubt be a part of OS4.
Big f'ing surprise, and how original.

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