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OlafS25 
Re: Amiga Inc. Loses U.S. Trademarks
Posted on 11-May-2017 10:03:00
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@wawa

no as I understand it 6 months are just starting

reason for refusal is that someone has the brand amiga already and there might be confusion. As I read it the citi group

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IanP 
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@OlafS25

As I read it the confusion for AmigaOS and AmigaOne is with the Amiga trademark of Amiga Inc. even though that tradmark seems likely to have expired and been cancelled on January 17th (unless they did renew it) apparently it can take months for an expired mark be updated from being "live" in various databases. However with Cloanto trying to get the Amiga trademark Hyperion have been advised that Cloanto also have prior claim to the similar mark Amiga in Application Serial No. 87287078.

Citigroup are only cited in case history of similar disputes, nothing specific to the Amiga mark.

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@IanP

ah thanx...

such texts in german are already complicated enough

regarding Cloanto... will be interesting to watch

funny how people fight about a dead corpse

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@IanP

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As I read it the confusion for AmigaOS and AmigaOne is with the Amiga trademark of Amiga Inc. even though that tradmark seems likely to have expired and been cancelled on January 17th (unless they did renew it) apparently it can take months for an expired mark be updated from being "live" in various databases.


I've referred to the courtesy renewal notice by that term before.

I'll include the exact content to eliminate any misunderstanding regarding dates and actions required:

USPTO Courtesy reminder

Adding the document concerning opposition period of the Cloanto Amiga trademark, previously referred to:

TRADEMARK OFFICIAL GAZETTE PUBLICATION CONFIRMATION

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
Posted on 11-May-2017 14:18:59
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@Jose

> Who cares, the Amiga name as trademark has little value anyway and people noadays are smart enough to find out what is what (I think...:))

That makes me wonder what the guys behind this company was thinking about
www.amigasystem.no
Is that name even legal to use like they do, unless they actually have permission from Amiga Inc?

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IanP 
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Almost certainly it's legal as it's in a completely different area of business to the Amiga we are interested in. There are lots of companies using Amiga for products in different sectors.

Examples
http://www.drexan.com/components-accessories/amiga
http://www.knitty.com/ISSUEss11/PATTamiga.php
http://www.hotel-amiga.de/en/

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Re: Cloanto acquire Amiga Inc Trademark
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@thread

Perhaps I misunderstand, but by reading quotes from the principals about who licenses what trademark to whom, it seems this is of importance, whilst others here seem to think the trademarks are of no/little importance.

Here are Trevor Dickinson's "understandings" from various points in time:

Quote:
Therefore the AmigaOS, AmigaOne etc names and trademarks although licensed from AI effectively belong to Hyperion.

Source

Quote:
However, I believe that AmigaKit are licensed by Hyperion Entertainment to create AmigaOS, AmigaOne, Boing Ball, etc branded goods and memorabilia.

Source

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It provides revenue for the Amiga retailers and in turn provides much need funds for the continued development of hardware and software.

Source

These statements are made post-lawsuit btw. Would not ownership of these trademarks affect licensing agreements?

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I know in german if parts of agreement are illegal (f.e. laws changed) the rest stays valid. I assume that this is similar in USA, even if one part of agreement is broken (trademarks no longer reserved) the rest (license for using sources) is still active. That basically would mean amigaos could still be sold but not under the name and the hardware could no longer be called AmigaOne. Would be interesting if my interpretation would be valid

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@number6

What does Amiga Inc own that's worth licensing?

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@TRIPOS

Sorry. I'm not sure what you're asking.

My post above is about Hyperion licensing TO others only and if/how trademark changes would affect that.

Technically, I suppose we're talking sub-licensing (Hyperion to others).

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Checking the Amiga brand name:

Google:

amiga+computer 600,000 hits

omega+computer 2,000,000 hits

Omega wins!

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Yea, but we sort first alphabetically. Take THAT, Omega! ;)

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@OneTimer1

Quote:

OneTimer1 wrote:

Checking the Amiga brand name:

Google:

amiga+computer 600,000 hits

omega+computer 2,000,000 hits

Omega wins!


Commodore+computer 1 520 000 hits

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@OneTimer1

Quote:

OneTimer1 wrote:

Checking the Amiga brand name:

Google:

amiga+computer 600,000 hits

omega+computer 2,000,000 hits

Omega wins!


But this 5US$ only Omega2 computer is more interesting...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/onion/omega2-5-iot-computer-with-wi-fi-powered-by-linux

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@thread

When will this circus of IP/Licensing/Patents/Copyrights end??

Is it a weird coincidence that the Ringling Brothers circus has its last performances this month?

Hmmmm......

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The one in the EU is still valid for another year. And I imagine there might be more contenders for that one, now that everybody had an advance warning


Does the following refer to Darren B. Cohen and simply mean there is no one to contact anymore?

Representative - Deletion of the representative

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Looks like Cloanto is trying to register also "WORKBENCH" in EU right now (examination in progress from 13.04.2017).

https://euipo.europa.eu/eSearch/#details/trademarks/W01338754

-Dooz

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Quote:

gregthecanuck wrote:

When will this circus of IP/Licensing/Patents/Copyrights end??


IMHO it could be about to end once and for all kind of soonish...


@dooz

Quote:

dooz wrote:

Looks like Cloanto is trying to register also "WORKBENCH" in EU right now


Makes sense. Cloanto is pavaing the way...

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Deletion is used when you want the existing representative to be removed (deleted) and no other representative is known. All future correspondence will go automatically to the owner of the file(s).
from pdf link

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@IanP

ty

@thread

As expected re:Amiga Trademark?

Quote:
Status: A request for an extension of time to file an opposition has been filed with the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.


Source

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