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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 18:39:31
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Network and wireless network cards are cheap, and virtually all X1000 owners have one or the other. Is it really important?
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 19:12:59
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I clearly recall a post indicating Hyperion owes you that (X1000 ethernet driver).
If that has since changed to an A-Eon responsibility, I would not know...
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 19:21:44
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Hyperion also owes everyone that bought an X1000 a copy of OS4.2. Think you'll have that any time soon either?
And I DO agree that the hardware vendor, not the OS vendor owes you drivers for the hardware you bought from them. Last edited by iggy on 04-Jul-2017 at 07:23 PM. Last edited by iggy on 04-Jul-2017 at 07:22 PM.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 19:38:18
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That might be an area for speculation, due to the fact that "X1000 was not my idea" from the h/w vendor, which might lead one to believe that any analysis of what could be done/delivered was done by the OS vendor, no?
I can give you one direct quote since the question was asked rather directly:
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Between hardware makers and OS developers (A-EON/Hyperion), who's responsible for hardware drivers? |
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With the A1-X1000 originally it was Hyperion. However, the hardware manufacturers are now taking on this responsibility. |
Source July 21, 2013
Again, any change is something either Trevor or Tim would have to speak to.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 20:00:52
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No, because the X1000 was very much Aeon idea, and they paid Varisys to design it to their specifications. The OS is missing a network driver, and it should have been included in the port, but as it wasn't, its still Aeon's problem. Its their hardware.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 20:18:45
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No, because the X1000 was very much Aeon idea |
It might make more sense to avoid company names and deal with personal names instead.
The selectors of the board were:
A-Eon V1 (Belgium) was Ben Hermans, Anthony Moorley, and Trevor Dickinson. Consulting was with key AmigaOS developers.
Obviously things changed since A-Eon V2 without Ben Hermans and Anthony Moorley was formed in the U.K.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 21:04:24
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That is a good point about the original Aeon, it isn't the same organization today. In a way, that makes the X1000 an orphan, even if they claim it as part of the family today. |
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 21:52:29
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| I can connect to the net with my X1000 and I'm not in a desperate need for another free PCI slot so from my perspective it's better that resources that could have been spent on the onboard NIC driver were spent eleswhere. |
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 4-Jul-2017 22:12:21
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 5-Jul-2017 7:51:54
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 5-Jul-2017 7:59:05
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 13-Jul-2017 7:11:56
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 1:00:59
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Fundraise is really slow. We need some big names with money who should decide donate.
I tried messaging PowerOrg Consortium on Twitter only to discover with horror that the profile is not updated since 2013!
I tried also some other PPC based like pages like IBM PPC Linux but I am not a famous person and I hit only 120 views and a single like.
I signalled fundraising to OSNews but I got ignored by Holwerda.
Do you know sites in which to spread these news?
Do you know any big name who could contribute fundraising with donations? Last edited by Raffaele on 14-Jul-2017 at 01:04 AM. Last edited by Raffaele on 14-Jul-2017 at 01:03 AM.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 11:21:24
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Don't you think, that the bounty is a bit too unclear.
I mean, I do not really know, what the money is really for.
I think a Kickstarter Project would have made a better impact.
As defined right now, I think a company should pay the engineer.
That's just my opinion _________________ Sometimes we give people a lot of credit just because they’re writing nice sentences even if it isn’t adding up to much. |
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 11:42:44
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We are getting there, and it hasn't been that long. So small donations from many people seem to be working.
Since the design work will commence at 4000 euros (ONLY 100 EUROS LEFT UNTIL THAT OCCURS GUYS!) , this gradual pace is fine.
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I mean, I do not really know, what the money is really for....
As defined right now, I think a company should pay the engineer. |
Well, the goals seem pretty straight forward. Produce an open design anyone can implement, with initial prototypes that can be fully tested.
As no one was implementing a similar idea, and a Kickstarter campaign would not have been graduated (and faced a higher likely hood of not getting anywhere), this is the approach chosen.
It does look like at least the initial schematics will be created.Last edited by iggy on 14-Jul-2017 at 11:56 AM. Last edited by iggy on 14-Jul-2017 at 11:56 AM. Last edited by iggy on 14-Jul-2017 at 11:50 AM. Last edited by iggy on 14-Jul-2017 at 11:49 AM. Last edited by iggy on 14-Jul-2017 at 11:48 AM.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 13:17:59
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I made a small donation. By comparison. Hope it progresses and then I will micro finance with other like minded people at the next point in development.
I am disappointed that PPC Safari is unable to post on the site. I just realised I wasted two posts that ended up in a black hole. Used latest Webkit but hope PPC Linux works better or PPC really is the way of the Dodo. Last edited by Hypex on 14-Jul-2017 at 01:28 PM.
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 18:05:55
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Raffaele,
PowerOrg doesn't exitst anymore.
Try openpower consortium, although they are really focused on Power8 and Power9 for server and big data analytics. Btw could worth a try _________________ retired |
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 18:17:22
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Safari for PPC? The last version I know of is 5.0.6, which is quite dated. If you are using OSX, then TenFourFox is much more current.
And yes, Linux works better than OSX, as it is more up to date.
One of the interests of some of the people working on the PPC laptop project is the continuing support of big endian Linux distros for PowerPC.
AND A QUICK NOTE:
The project has accumulated 31.75% of its initial goal of €12,600, which equals €4,000.
SO...initial work on the schematics by Acube should commence soon!
Thanks to the 60 people that have contributed so far.
If donations continue at their current rate, full payment for this first part of the project will be secured. |
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 18:43:31
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And yes, Linux works better than OSX, as it is more up to date. |
ehmmmm no.osx leopard is full hw accelerated in video decoding and compositing . linux not only in small part. Right now on my g5 quad leopard is the most productive . linux have better cpu support thanks of 64bit but video is a really crap thing _________________ I love Amiga and new hope by AmigaNG A 500 + ; CDTV; CD32; PowerMac G5 Quad 8GB,SSD,SSHD,7800gtx,Radeon R5 230 2GB; MacBook Pro Retina I7 2.3ghz; #nomorea-eoninmyhome |
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Re: Open source PPC laptop bounty Posted on 14-Jul-2017 20:40:57
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Video can be an issue outside of html5. But Safari has not been updated in years and has all the security flaws inherent in something based on WebKit from that period.
And I can't run anything much better than my ATI X1900GT under OSX, whereas I have access to better video cards under Linux (and soon under MorphOS).
I just don't have a lot of use for OSX. Its a bit of a pig when it comes to resources, not that Linux is that much better, but its a bit more responsive.
What I'd really like, and I am not likely to ever get, is an SMP enabled MorphOS running on a Quad core PCIe G5. That would have a nice performance edge over OSX as it would be much more efficient.
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