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ferrels 
Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 18-Sep-2017 22:57:17
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@tlosm

There goes English getting in the way again. I also believe that an NG Amiga is not a good investment. I'd much rather invest in a Vampire. Classic hardware is great but is difficult to find at reasonable prices and it has become fragile with age and use. Actually, the word investment and computer shouldn't even be used in the same sentence. It's like investing in a refrigerator....Investments pay you back with interest over time....at least good investments anyway.

I also appreciate your courage in standing up to the fanboys here. My experience with OS4 and NG hardware was less than optimal as well.

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@ferrels

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I also appreciate your courage in standing up to the fanboys here. My experience with OS4 and NG hardware was less than optimal as well.


It's gotta be better than 20 year old Blizzards and Cyberstorms surely?

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 18-Sep-2017 23:43:42
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@BigD

I left the Amiga scene back in 1992 and boxed up my A1200 for quite a few years before I bought an NG Amiga in 2007. So I completely skipped all the Blizzards and Cyberstorms, etc.....

The NG hardware was fantastic for what it was. Bill Buck sold an outstanding product for a great price ($700 USD) back in 2007. The OpenDesktop workstation he sold me had 2 GB of RAM, Gigabit Ethernet, ATI 9250 GPU, a 1Ghz G4 CPU, a DVD drive, and a 500GB hard disk, complete with case and power supply. All I needed to add was a monitor, keyboard and mouse. I paid for a MorphOS license and was pleased with the performance and slick interface but I still had no software and using 68K software for my business wasn't an option. I also missed multi-user capabilities that I had under Windows and Linux.

Then I thought I'd give OS4 a try. It was noticeably slower than MorphOS and I ran into the same problems. I needed multi-user logons, an office suite and a decent web browser. I did find AmiCygnix and it was really nice to have an office suite again, but the lack of a decent browser and the lack of multi-user security was what prompted me to put the system into storage until I finally sold it.

I think the lack of productivity software and the lack of security are the primary reasons that keep others (including me) from adopting NG hardware and operating systems. Until those problems get solved NG Amigas are destined to be just expensive hobby systems.

I am still very disappointed that now, 10 years later, the promised port of Open Office, SMP, and a decent browser are still unfulfilled. I realize that software development for NG Amigas happens at a snail's pace, but golly, 10+ years and no news is just ridiculous. I also feel bad for those who bought X1000's and have been waiting years for drivers. That is just unacceptable. A-Eon and Hyperion are definitely not aiming for broader market appeal.

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 19-Sep-2017 7:18:42
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@Spectre660

i dont understand what you want to prof.
that i made linux working right on my x5000/40 without a-eon support?
i say again and repete for another time all work axactly at the half speed compared the old G5 Quad (2005) because the ram speed run at the half at the speed compared it and quad use 4200 DDR2 modules.

Uploaded yesterday the quad have a r5 230 2gb on it pcie 1.1 4x slot.
Ubuntu Mate on g5 Quad

PS: let me know how x5000 menage the sports cam 1080p mp4 videos in the same situation i had made on this video.
PS2: dont worry i will made a video of aros and fs-uae with os4 running on G5 too.

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
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@ferrels

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I also believe that an NG Amiga is not a good investment. I'd much rather invest in a Vampire.


yes Vampire V4 will be my first investment after selling my X5000/40. my amiga 500+ need it!

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Re: Is X5000 worth its price? Too many issues and limits...
Posted on 19-Sep-2017 9:04:34
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So if I need a modern Amiga solution with security, multiusers, video hd capabilities, decent webbrowsers, moderns productivity softwares, etc. I have to buy a vampire instead of a NG... no kidding...

Both Classics and NG have their strenghts and weaknesses but they are completly differents solutions... not the same uses etc. Saying i'm disapointed with the NG, I will sell it for a classic, is like swapping a car for a motorcycle.

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@davebraco

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swapping a car for a motorcycle


why not? myself, i only have a third hand bike and when it rains i can always take a bus. certainly wouldnt buy a car with an experimental engine running only on one cylinder just to park it in the yard.

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 9:50:38
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@wawa

As I wrote... both solutions are great but are targeted for different use... your quote is just a small part of a paragraph... I also could write 'swapping a motorcycle for a car'...

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 9:59:00
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Amigaos and morphos on X5000 for sure work well and are fast. but for me isnt too much . for have amigaos and morphos running and good i was stay with my old pegasos2.
I choose this machine because i was thinking (bad) it can kill my G5 Quad in Linux performances and because of this i think: i will have one machine for everything.
I dont have much space at home and i dont like too much the compromises.

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 11:34:16
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@davebraco

there are people who dont even have motorcycle or car. if tlosm doesnt feel he needs the x5k, why keep it. someone else might get better use for it.

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 11:51:20
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Good call. Let's reconvene on Amibay

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 11:52:12
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@tlosm
Hola Luigi.
What you want say to Amiga users here?
I think no much interest here in linux because is Amiga forum.
Again really i never buy a g5 quad for run linux ppc..and dont understand why you buy 2 amigaone X5000 for main linux
use.
Powerpc linux today near dead..for daily use (no steam,no skype

For linux i prefer buy a PC....cheap and sure kill all your G5 test.
Dont know what problem you have with AEon but sound like all your bad words for new Amigass NG are personal problems.
Looking your videos until 7 months ago all good words,what happened after?
Sure X5000 is a dream computer for Amigaos ...dont compare with old pegasos2 (no radeonHd,no warp3d nova...)
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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 12:04:37
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Jose ... why i buy two x5000?
firstone was 5020 and the performances for the kind of use that i do are to much slow for my type of linux ppc use (build and test). because of this i switch to x5000/40 ... but with my really disappointment it dont gave me good performances . like i had explained many many times...

About Linux PPC, amiga forum and so and so ... is amigaone x5000 an amiga?

why i have to buy a pc for linux when i can use my own machine?
if i need have better linux i will buy rasperrypi3


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Powerpc linux today near dead..for daily use (no steam,no skype


as i been reply about steam and skype use wine for run games and so and so... ppc dont have wine because is a ppc and not an x86

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 13:06:22
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Good call. Let's reconvene on Amibay


admittedly it doesnt seem to stand in high demand, but its worth a try i guess..

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 13:22:03
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@BigD

One of my friends will buy my machine when will have available the right bucks.
for now it is taking dust from 1 month in my mancave

Last edited by tlosm on 19-Sep-2017 at 01:23 PM.

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 14:04:00
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@wawa

Hem... I prefer that he sold the machine for sure... It's just that it seems he sold his A4000 to buy an X5000 and now he wants to go back to classic...

IMHO classics and NG are two different things... that's all I'm trying to explain...

@ tlosm
"i will have one machine for everything. I dont have much space at home and i dont like too much the compromises."

Then buy a PC

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 15:37:46
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@wawa

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wawa wrote:
@davebraco

there are people who dont even have motorcycle or car. if tlosm doesnt feel he needs the x5k, why keep it. someone else might get better use for it.


Do you mean someone who could feel enough happy with hardware that is outperfermormed by an obsolete Mac G5 and stay foolish with incomplete AmigaOS, and mainly someone that will keep staying silent accepting any sacred piece of cr... EHM ...piece of Cake that this community throws him?

And possibly not raising legit questions as Tlosm did?

It seems one of notorious Steve Jobs catches: Amiga: Stay Awaiting! Stay Foolish! Stay Silent!

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IMHO classics and NG are two different things... that's all I'm trying to explain...


that may be your personal opinion, but we are constantly being explained that os4 (and its "dedicated" hardware) is a legitimate amiga successor, its the same only better, not just something different, therefore we need to "upgrade".

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Posted on 19-Sep-2017 15:57:50
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@davebraco

I have my wonderful Quad G5 from where i can do everything much more fast than the X5000 ... buy a pc? Sure! i will buy this one that have better performances and less issue and compromize than x5000

My new ultra mega pc

Last edited by tlosm on 19-Sep-2017 at 03:58 PM.

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