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Hypex 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 27-Dec-2017 13:43:37
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The Sands of Time?

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Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 28-Dec-2017 14:21:30
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@Overflow

I'd like to receive some news: in the last update mail from Cinemaware Sven wrote that they were going to deliver the game a week after Amiga32 event, but he also wrote that Daniel had to fix some features in the game while he got ill.

I just wrote to Sven, I hope to receive soon an answer with some updates.

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Re: Wings Remastered Released?
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Sadly any answer from Sven or Cinemaware

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Lazi 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 2-Feb-2018 19:56:49
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@kyle

I am quite satisfied with the performance that we reach on mastering patience!

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OneTimer1 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 2-Feb-2018 20:06:26
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I have lost patience.

I considered Daytona to be a honest man and after all the presentation I thought it could be done in a few month.

I was wrong, I have given up on them money I paid.

If I would get Wings remastered I would not the this as a result of my order, I would see this as a sign from heaven to confess all my sins because the end must be near.

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Lazi 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
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@OneTimer1

If I remember correctly they did not really promised any time frame if the counter not reaches 300.

And that number we have not reached still.

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kyle 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 2-Feb-2018 21:57:28
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@Lazi

But the copies of the almost complete game directly sold at Amiwest 2017 have been counted?

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Overflow 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 8:45:00
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@OneTimer1

Im just copypasting my comment from A.org

It appears that Daniel is focusing on completing Tower57 for Amiga;

https://www.facebook.com/daniel.mussener?lst=740715618%3A100000493701258%3A1517732994

And I do remember him saying; if we dont reach 300+ pre-orders on Wings, he would develop on it "as time allows". Should be a familiar story in the amiga scene.

Honestly, I think Daniel is accepting too much work. There are limits to what 1 man can do in x amount of time. Espesially when it doesnt yield any cash back to him personally.

THAT said, Cinemaware should communicate with people at the VERY least, letting the customers know the progress pace and plans.

Jeroen Tel has the same issue with his campaign; it fell short on his target dollarwise, and to offset this, the time it has taken to complete his work has faaar exceeded what he initially hoped.
For a while he didnt communicate much, and people went sour. Now he communicates again, and people are quite understanding as long as they find the reasons for any delays belivable.
Plus we got 100s of Jeroens wonderful C64 AND Soundcloud soundtracks to keep us happy while we wait!

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Overflow 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 9:09:33
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And Daniel just replied on a.org;

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=835749#post835749

Quote:
Hi guys,

I was just informed of this thread and asked by somebody via FB, "I'd like to know why my order for Defender of the crown has been on hold since Nov 2016. Also will I ever get wings?? Its a bit crazy to not get a reply back on these things."

Here's my reply:
I have nothing to do with Defender or Rocket Ranger or Wings-PC, I am only the programmer of the Wings-Amiga port. So for anything related to the other stuff you have to ask Cinemaware Retro.

Wings-Amiga-Port:
Yes, unfortunately it takes muuuuch longer than initially thought. No, it's not done yet and anyone claiming anything different spreads fake news.

However, CinemawareRetro sends boxes to some people who reserved it. Those boxes only contain a recent unfinished dev-build. Those people know what they get, of course.
It's meant for people who explicitely asked for it because apparently for them it's more important to have the box already instead of the finished game (pure collectors it seems).

Anyway:
note that Wings-Amiga is no Kickstarter or whatever. By paying you simply reserved your copy. If you are tired of waiting you can simply cancel it and get your money back.
The money was not touched. I have not seen / spent a single dime.

Wings-Amiga will still require some more time to finish. I won't do any further estimation though. Right now it's completely on hold until Tower57 is done. After that I will continue and hopefully be done soon.

@Niding
That turned out to be true, unfortunately. It was hard to forsee though:

1. the work required for Wings turned out to be much higher than initially thought. This has all kinds of reasons but mostly it's due to the extreme degree of asset optimizations required plus the high amount of large levels which have to be checked over and over again, whenever applying a more heavier optimization or whatever. Simply strongly underestimated this.

2. Tower57: bad luck. When I agreed to do those ports I asumed that what I was told was right: that it's simple basic OpenGL etc. That's why the Kickstarter-stretch-goal was that low and why I thought that it would be a straight simple some-weekends-port like e.g. BattleSquadron Deluxe was.
Unfortunately it turned out that the game's code was running so extremely slow (or not at all due to RAM requirements) on even mediocre NG-Amiga-hardware that I essentially had to insanely optimize / rewrite huge parts of the game completely to get decent performance. And on top of that I had to go the software-rendering route because many NG-Amigas couldn't handle the huge textures / huge VRAM requirements. And also come up with a hicolor-version for systems with < = 512 MB RAM like the 440ep or old PowerMacs.
So the point is: I asumed that this would only allocate very few of my time and it turned out to be a nightmare consuming man-month over man-month.

Anyway, for T57 we have a release candidate, my testers are very happy so this will be done very soon. And then back to the other nightmare, Wings :P

Cheers,
Daniel


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DrProcton 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 9:47:49
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I had a very baad experience with that guy Sven of Cinemaware Retro.
I ordered AND PAID more than one year ago for a copy of Defender of the Crown collection. Never received the game. I sent him a ton of mail. He replied some of my mail, promised a tracking number, a next week shipping week after week..pathetic excuses.
Now the game is set as not available.But he didn't refund me for not receiving a copy of that product.
Stay away from that guy Sven..


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Rob 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 10:33:59
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@DrProcton

Communication seemed to be really good at one time with regular updates on where they were at with various products. I wonder what happened.

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DrProcton 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 12:45:13
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@Rob

I don't know what happened, but that guy doesn't deserve any trust. If I post all the mails and the pathetic replies (one after 10 mails) I sent him, I will flood the forum. I really wanted that defender of the crown collection, so I tried to be patient and to be polite with him. Now I see in this forum, and in amiga.org that I am not the only one to be frauded by this guy. I can't ask a paypal refund anymore, but I can share with the people my experience and advise to not buy anything from him.

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kyle 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 18:34:49
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@Overflow

At least some news from Daniel

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OneTimer1 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 18:40:25
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@Overflow

Quote:


It appears that Daniel is focusing on completing Tower57 for Amiga;



I'm not interested paying for it as long as I doesn't have the Wings version I paid for.

Last edited by OneTimer1 on 04-Feb-2018 at 06:40 PM.

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OneTimer1 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 18:45:38
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@Lazi

Quote:



If I remember correctly they did not really promised any time frame if the counter not reaches 300.



Please look here:
Quote:

1.387 Unterstützer haben 91.380 $ beigetragen, um dieses Projekt zu verwirklichen.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/850516062/wings-remastered-edition/comments?cursor=5037025

Translation by Google:
1,387 supporters contributed $ 91,380 to help make this project a reality.
https://translate.google.de/?hl=de&tab=wT#auto/en/1.387%20Unterst%C3%BCtzer%20haben%2091.380%20%24%20beigetragen%2C%20um%20dieses%20Projekt%20zu%20verwirklichen.


If I remember correctly I didn't intended to wait more than a year.

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Lazi 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 19:01:54
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@OneTimer1

If you founded that project what is the problem? PC, IOS, Android version is out for a long time.

We are talking about the Amiga port based on that Kickstarter remake.
It is a different project by the man who owns old Cinemaware intellectual properties and the talented coder Daniel.

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Overflow 
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Posted on 4-Feb-2018 19:39:29
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@OneTimer1

Tower57 is soon completed by Daniel, and its not published by Cinemaware, so you wouldnt even have to pay until its readily available for download.

IF the game is your style of game that is.

If you dont want to purchase the game cause its developed by Daniel, then fine. Its your money.

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klx300r 
Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 22:08:29
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@Overflow

here's Daniels 'official' response over at amiga.org (scroll down to post 50)

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Re: Wings Remastered Released?
Posted on 4-Feb-2018 23:09:12
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Nice to get another update, hope its not too far off, I feel if it not ready by May they should should just release it as is and provide updates later over the net if he still wants to improve it more, only because that would be another 6 months wait after people have gotten early beta copies while we who preordered still got nothing. I think that a fair wait.

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Re: Wings Remastered Released?
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@thread

Another response posted on amiga.org:

Source

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